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    0:00  ready to go in his first game. All right, but he had three home runs.
    0:06  [applause]
    0:07  We'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. If everyone would please rise, we're going to have a prayer and pledge led by Mr. Brinkle.
    0:16  Father, we thank you again for allowing us to gather together to do the county's business. And we ask that we will use the wisdom that you gave us to make good
    0:23  decisions tonight. We ask this in your name. Amen.
    0:28  I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for [clears throat] which it
    0:35  stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
    0:46  Good evening. Welcome to Grant County Council budget hearings.
    0:51  And um I think that we do need to uh do a roll call back.
    0:58  Rel Scott here.
    1:07  All right. Next uh item on our agenda is a reading of the budgets. And I was counting on Mr. McCor.
    1:14  Sure. I can do that. Mr. D. No problem. Thank you.
    1:19  Uh first uh what we'll look at is and it's under tab one in your books form three which is the notice of taxpayers
    1:25  where I'll go. Uh just to let every know we did get this published in time for this hearing to begin tonight. Uh it was
    1:33  published on the gateway site near the DJs site called gateway.
    1:38  And what we'll look at and of course let me say this all we'll be doing budgets for a lot of funds throughout this process. Okay. This form just has the
    1:46  ones that are required to be published by DLGF. Okay. In this notice, so that's what I'll those those are the ones I'll talk about right now. Um what I'll I'll
    1:54  note the fund the budget estimate and just so you know that budget estimate is what has been requested by the various departments to compile to this total.
    2:03  Well, obviously we'll trim that down to whatever we make it become when it's all said and done, but we cannot go above what's been published. Okay. And then
    2:11  we'll also note what the maximum levy amount is. And the amount that's been advertised is high. We know that won't
    2:18  be the final number when it's all said and done. But uh [clears throat] we they can't we can't raise what's advertised.
    2:24  We can only drop it from there. So we always go high so we can make sure we get what we need to do it at the end.
    2:29  Okay. Uh so on form three first of all for the general fund the budget that's been uh posted or published is 35
    2:38  million $960,75 with a maximum levy of $18,350.
    2:47  Okay. The reassessment fund budget estimate 582,242 with a maximum levy of 750,000.
    2:57  debt service fund, the budget of $690,953, maximum levy $950,000.
    3:07  The highway fund, and this is a combination of restricted and non-restricted. Okay. The budget estimate is 5,28,577.
    3:17  There's no levy because there's no property tax associated with that fund. Local road and street budget of 600,000.
    3:25  Again, no levy because there's no property tax associated with that.
    3:30  Cumulative bridge fund budget of 1,200,000, maximum levy 1,875,000.
    3:39  And the health fund budget of 719,299, maximum levy 650,000.
    3:48  Cumulative capital development fund budget of 147,200 maximum levy 650,000
    3:58  and the economic development income tax seated fund a budget of 1,900,000 and there is no levy associated with
    4:06  that because it's strictly income tax money that comes into that.
    4:09  [clears throat]
    4:09  So the budgets that are advertised for those funds combined is 47,38,976 and the maximum levy of those funds combined is 23,225,000.
    4:22  Okay, so those are the budgets we've read. Uh I'll kind of just kind of go through some highlights of what we went through. Angie and I kind of work together to put all this together to get
    4:30  to this stage. Um on the let me just tell you what I mean really projecting the less. We know we
    4:38  have advertised. I I gave you that number. General fund we're talking 8 million 350. I really expect it to be and we'll see it's going to be plus or
    4:46  minus this. I think it'll be 18,7,000 plus. Okay. In that range. Cune bridge we're showing a million 875 advertised.
    4:57  Really expect it to be about a million6 when it's all said and done. Health fund we're advertising 650,000.
    5:05  really expect 555,000 roughly reassessment fund
    5:12  advertising 750,000 expect it to be more like 640,000
    5:19  um human capital development advertising 650 650,000 really expect,000
    5:28  to be the case and debt service we advertised is
    5:35  950 950,000 and it really expect to be 650,000 when it's all said and done.
    5:42  Uh couple other notes the reassessment fund and the health fund those amounts that I expect it to be will be roughly
    5:49  6% above what it was in 26. That's the growth factor reflected there. You know it's reflective of 600,000 or 6%.
    5:57  Um when I uh looked at the AV to try to guess what 27s will be and comparing
    6:05  that to 26 what I used for our purposes of calculating through the budget process here I used a reduction of 5%.
    6:12  You recall from 25 to 26 we had a flatline budget which is less than it has been. That's really because of Senate Bill one issues I believe
    6:21  reductions there. So I'm using a 5% reduction from that number to go for 27.
    6:28  I don't know what it's going to be for sure. I'm just using that for our calculations. Hoping it's conservative good number to use. If it goes higher then we can raise more on some of these.
    6:38  That's why on the cumulative capital development development fund we we advertise a higher amount than I expect it to be
    6:44  because if the AV does grow with the rate we have in place we could get more money in that fund. Same thing with Q
    6:51  Bridge fund. We advertised a million what was it? A million850 got a million875 and I got a million6 as my projection.
    7:00  Again, if our AV goes up, we can raise more dollars there with that fund. So that's why we've advertised higher than what I really expect it to be.
    7:11  Another thing I want to note, remember the tax cap losses is one of the numbers we have to deal with as we go through the process.
    7:17  Um, DLGF has given us 3,40,100 as their guess for 2027 for us and that is $61,000 higher than 26.
    7:29  That's a 23.6% increase. I use that number in our calculations [clears throat] here. So, the levies I've noted for you guys that
    7:38  we talked about, whatever that tax cap loss is, that becomes reduction what we actually can approve in our budget process. Okay? and you'll see that on
    7:46  reductions as we go through that form 4B. Throughout the budget process, we'll see that number.
    7:53  Uh, another number you need to know about is local option income tax.
    7:57  As Angie and I are working on the budget together, I used the actual 2026 income tax amount as a
    8:06  guess for what 27s will be because we didn't have the state's estimate at that time. We just saw we just received the state's estimate just a few days ago.
    8:15  Um, and it's higher than what our estimate what we used in our estimates, which I expected it to go up some, but I didn't know what. So, I was being conservative and used the same amount.
    8:24  Well, the state's number for lit that affects general fund uh actually increased, let's see, what is it? Um, not quite.
    8:34  It's not quite $400,000. It's about a 4.57% increase in 27 over what 26s is. Okay.
    8:42  So the numbers you got at your [clears throat] seats in the 4B that Angie put together does reflect that increased number. Okay. So our lit is up
    8:51  4.57% in the general fund and then the heated fund is up 4.12%. So the amount I've got as
    8:59  an estimate in there is less that 4.1 uh 2% increase we'll get. But Angie again has reflected that [clears throat] on the information you got at your tables
    9:07  tonight. So good news. We're getting more revenue for income tax than we had in 26. 27s will be higher.
    9:17  Okay, that's I guess that's what I wanted to cover. Now, any questions on what I talked about there before you go in?
    9:25  Okay, that's what I had. Okay, thank you.
    9:31  Next uh item on our agenda is uh surveyor and [clears throat] cornerstone.
    9:53  Not quite sure what what you expect from me to say. We're asking for 3,000 more
   10:00  for the chief deputy. 1,500 more for the first deputy.
   10:06  No raise for me. A little bit of raise for our engineer.
   10:12  But the rest of the numbers remain the same as far as
   10:18  gas and motors or gas and oil garage and motor supplies. Those are staying the same here.
   10:38  Does anybody have any questions regarding those personnel services or supplies?
   10:52  I think I must cornerstone.
   10:56  We pay um licensed land surveyors to reestablish or re-reference the cornerstone that the real uh land surveyors go off of.
   11:14  Have you been through a budget hearing before? Is this your one? Okay, this is your second one. My second one.
   11:18  It's probably more important to realize that we'll we want to hear your thoughts on personnel salary changes and we don't actually act on those during this part of our budget hearing process.
   11:27  We have been busier this year than we have in the past. We're raising quite a few um maintenance funds. rates are going up, having public hearings.
   11:37  They're busy doing watersheds and uh compiling assessment roles more than we have in the past, recent past just for the necessity.
   11:48  A lot of the old rates on the maintenance funds are old rates and they're not keeping up with the current expenses of doing tiling and ditching.
   11:59  So those are having to be adjusted to accommodate the end goal of keeping the water going downhill.
   12:13  Are these both full-time employees?
   12:15  Yes. The chief first registered engineer. Is that essentially a subcontractor or what? How's that work?
   12:23  He he is at our call if we need him for something. He reviews reviews tiling
   12:29  plans and elevations waterheds. He also does our water sheds for ditch crossings. How much acres are coming
   12:38  through there and what size pipes need to be for certain locations.
   12:43  It looks like that person is paid as an employee though it's not contractual services. That's it's an employee. Yeah.
   13:00  think that um I don't know if anybody else had any other questions.
   13:10  As I recall from uh last year, we would not act on uh the salaries uh related to
   13:20  the positions, but we would act on others um
   13:28  related to that. So that uh I don't know if we want to leave it
   13:34  grouped uh to do supplies uh for approval
   13:42  and do we want to also add the surveyor ditch mileage and the certified cornerstones as part of that motion.
   13:53  Um and then also the uh contractual services entertain a motion for uh those being
   14:03  approved at this time, not the salaries or
   14:13  yes, I'm looking at the registered engineer as well not being approved because those are all
   14:20  related to payroll.
   14:25  Typically anything under personal services we hear but we don't vote on anything else supplies equipment or anything else in the budget we go ahead and vote [clears throat] on.
   14:34  So we leave out the certified cornerstones as well as ditch mileage.
   14:38  Well I mean that's contractual. That's you talk about the cornerstone on the
   14:45  122. Um, I was actually talking about in it's under personal services, but it says certified quarter and
   14:53  surveyor dish mileage, but it's whatever the pleasure of anybody that wants to make a motion, I guess.
   14:58  I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about that cornerstone.
   15:03  Well, then I did add that uh as as part of it as well for the cornerstone fund.
   15:12  Just to kind of keep it clean, I'll uh make a motion that we approve under the general fund surveyors department the
   15:19  supplies in the amount of $5,800 as requested. All right. Second. All [snorts] right. Thank you, Mr.
   15:26  McCord. Thank you, Mr. Scott.
   15:31  Any questions or further discussion regarding the supplies category at $5,800?
   15:41  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I.
   15:45  Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries.
   15:52  And then I guess the second one would have to do with the surveyor cornerstone fund.
   15:58  Is that ditch mileage?
   16:03  Was that Are you going to include the ditch mileage in that as well?
   16:07  No, we were going to leave it out. I think um Mr. McCorb was trying to keep it cleaner.
   16:13  Yeah, we that way what we just approved is the general fund surveyor applies.
   16:17  This is a se the surveyor cornerstone fund is a separate fund of its own, right?
   16:21  And there's nothing in there except the contractual services. Yep.
   16:27  So we're really approving that fund total that we're doing. Yes.
   16:38  I'll move for approval of the contractual services and the entire fund budget for the surveyor cornerstone fund. Yes, Mr. Board.
   16:46  Do we have a second to that motion? Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle.
   16:51  We have a motion in a second to approve the uh surveyor cornerstone fund 122, which is contractual services for a total of $50,000.
   17:01  Any questions or comments from the council?
   17:04  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I those oppose same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
   17:12  That's all you need. I believe that's all we need from you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank [clears throat] you. Appreciate you coming.
   17:20  Uh, next item on our agenda is superior court 2 and the title 4D.
   17:27  Good [clears throat] evening, gentlemen. I'm going to pass this sheet around.
   17:32  This is for CASA. Uh, they sent me that statistic sheet. We'll get to that in just a minute.
   17:40  I'm looking through the uh requested budget for Superior 2. Of course, as you all know, um and I'm sure you'll hear a
   17:48  lot over the next couple of weeks, we're asking for some payraises. Uh and we're I'm sure not going to be alone in that.
   17:56  So, uh, we're asking to bump the staff up from their current pay of 45628,
   18:04  uh, up to 50,000 even across the board for the different court reporters. There are five court reporters in Superior,
   18:11  too. Um, and we just feel like that is uh going to keep them on par with other
   18:19  neighboring counties uh like Howard County and Delaware County and so forth.
   18:25  Uh and this is going to be a request you'll see from all the judges. So we all agreed uh to keep that even between the uh different courts. That way
   18:34  there's no jealousy or anything between the the staff of the different courts.
   18:39  So uh again we're asking for that increase up to $50,000 there for those uh court reporters. And then the
   18:47  magistrate is uh state paid and he's also paid by the county. And so I did ask for a small bump in his uh salary on
   18:56  this county portion just a little shy of $2,000 there. I asked for an increase for the magistrate. That's Tom Lawson.
   19:06  So I'll leave that to you all to decide at a later time. Uh but looking at the rest of the Let me ask a question on salary before
   19:14  you leave that. I noticed uh that you under one of your recorders uh through this year we've been paying a
   19:22  portion of our salary from the 4D incentive fund and this time you're taking all of that out there. There's nothing out of the incentive but it's all out general fund now.
   19:30  Yes. Thank you uh Mr. McCart. So, uh, I did ask for, uh, a fifth court reporter, Regina Martinez, who's currently paid
   19:38  out of 4D and general fund money to be paid completely out of general fund at that same $50,000
   19:46  um, amount. Now, the reasoning behind that is as I was running for office uh
   19:53  and certainly seeing some of the things that I wanted to address as judge, one of the things was crossraining and the lack of cross trainining that we had
   20:01  between our court reporters. And you say, well, why is that important for this position? But because of this individual being paid out of 4D funds, I
   20:11  can't crossrain her without going through a whole bunch of red tape as to then having whoever is going to be
   20:18  replacing her being paid out of that money. And so, um, there's red tape at the state level. There's red tape with
   20:25  the auditor's office. Uh there's a lot more to it than just simply switching a desk because that 4D money uh that's
   20:33  used to pay her uh can only be used to justify uh or can only be used uh you know somebody that's working on child
   20:42  support matters. And so again I just thought it was easier to have them all paid out of the general fund uh so that
   20:49  we could open up the possibilities for greater cross training there in Superior 2. Now, candidly, I'm not terribly fired
   20:57  up about that. So, if you all say, "No, we don't want to do that. We'd rather just keep paying it out of the 4D funds," that's fine. You know, I'm not going to make a big deal about that.
   21:06  I guess the question I would have right now that fund had a balance, well, June 30 had a balance of $101,000 in correct. So, we stop 36,000.
   21:14  So, if we stop paying that person's pay out of there, at least part of their pay, then what's the benefit of the fund at that point? What would we use it for
   21:22  instead? Well, the the fund would just continue to grow, I suppose.
   21:26  So, you having to help the general fund makes sense to me, I guess. And my thought is that maybe that's one person you built cross train because of the need to keep that
   21:34  right segregated. I That's my thought. I guess I to me we want to help the general fund if we can with that fund.
   21:40  Sure. Is that Yeah, that's just my thought.
   21:43  No, I'm not going to get terribly fired up over that if you don't want to do it that way.
   21:47  That's just my thought about the general fund. I guess I will say this. I talked to Daniel Vaughn uh who does our uh reporting and
   21:54  auditing and all that of that account and um [clears throat] he had indicated of course the more you spend on 4D
   22:02  services and so forth the more you're going to get reimbursed. So uh if you're paying her out of the general fund then
   22:10  you're going to see more money come back into that 4D. But it's not all of it.
   22:14  No it's not all it's there's anything else we can use that money for. or silic just sit there and not be used. Right. Right. Even if it's only a portion of it.
   22:22  Sure. That's just my personal thought.
   22:25  So there's nothing else that can be used for?
   22:27  Well, it has to be used for child support collection efforts. So whether that's um you know part of a court reporter's salary, whether it's part of
   22:35  magistrate law salary, it cannot be part of my salary. Of course, I'm paid by the state anyways, but uh it can be used for
   22:42  equipment. It can be used for um you know anything related to child support collection efforts.
   22:49  See that's part of the problem too. If you buy equipment, you can only use it for that purpose. If you're I think one time we had to buy a shredder and we had to justify that we
   22:56  were using that paper shredder to shred child support collection stuff. So again, there's a lot of red tape involved in that.
   23:04  It just seems like it's better to use some of it for the salary piece, not worry about it. Just seems like to me $10,000. So substantial amount.
   23:16  So again, you know, I asked for that, but you know, I'm not going to get 18 plus 23,000 right now. County benefits.
   23:25  [clears throat]
   23:25  Yeah, just a thought judge.
   23:27  No, it's fine. I appreciate that. So I guess the take away from that is however you want to handle that. I just want to
   23:34  make sure, you know, obviously she's not getting less than what she got last year, but preferably I'd like to see them all up at 50,000. So,
   23:44  and then on the supplies, um, a couple of highlights there. We have just of course the regular office supplies and we have the K9 supplies which is for the
   23:53  quartz therapy dog. And, um, the supplies is staying the same as far as
   24:00  the office supplies. I did decrease the K9 supplies by a th00and uh and I also decreased u the appeals and popper
   24:09  council down below by a thousand. The reason for that was Judge Spitzer is going to be making a request uh in his
   24:16  presentation for an adult guardianship fund. Uh there's a program that helps um
   24:22  handle adult guardianship cases and he was going to ask for 5,000. So again, kind of collectively between the judges,
   24:30  we tried to shave different areas so that that 5,000 wouldn't necessarily be additional taxpayer funds, but just trying to shave things off our budgets.
   24:39  So that's why I decrease those uh by a,000 there.
   24:44  How do Excuse me. How do we expend only 8.49 halfway through the year to this point? I was just getting ready to say that.
   24:51  No, you're not. So, um, I had made a promise to the council when, uh, you all had graciously agreed to allow us to
   25:00  purchase Darla and give us this supplies budget for her that I would aggressively seek grant money to see to her needs.
   25:08  And so, currently, we have two grants, one out of drug court and one out of family recovery court that are helping pay for her expenses. So that's why
   25:17  there's been a pretty big decrease uh in taxpayer funds, you know, paying for her uh ongoing care. So I think
   25:26  total uh drug court and family recovery court had like $5,000 in grant money between
   25:33  the two of us to help pay for that. So So that's why there's been a decrease there. Um
   25:41  and then for the uh other services and charges uh the first one there is the courtappointed special advocate. So that is the CASA paperwork I sent around that
   25:50  shows you of course the impact that they're having in child welf excuse me welfare cases. They have to be appointed
   25:58  in every single case that the department of child services is involved in. Uh and so they stay obviously very busy uh
   26:06  doing that. the uh driving factor behind this request is what their state grant
   26:13  is. So, CASA separate from the money that you know you all would give to them
   26:19  is given a state grant and they then um will get up to the amount
   26:27  that this body uh matches if that makes sense. So, um, in order for them to get
   26:34  the full state grant of $74,124, this body has to approve a $74,124
   26:43  budget for them. Um, in the past, it's been 63,639 the last few years, but um, it's going
   26:52  up this year. That's based purely on the volume of the cases. I don't understand all the metrics the state uses for that, but um it's a dollar for a dollar match.
   27:01  So if you all approved them for let's say the 63,639 then they would only get 63,639
   27:10  for the state if that state money does that go through a separate state fund and do you recall that is that a separate fund that's in I can't remember
   27:18  I think it goes directly to them
   27:20  [laughter]
   27:21  books at all for this okay so that one claim and and we give them that a lump sum but the other I believe goes direct straight to them okay So, okay.
   27:31  So, that's again uh what that's about.
   27:35  The appeals and popper council. Uh again, we shaved that by a th000 to help that adult guardianship fund for Judge
   27:42  Spitzer's court. And so, we're asking for 10,000 there. I it says zero expended as of May 31st. We might have
   27:51  spent a few hundred out of it. account, primarily what that account is used for is uh for parents that are dealing with
   27:59  uh contested adoptions and they cannot afford an attorney. Uh they're they're actually given the right to an attorney
   28:07  and so that's u I believe why that account was created to help pay for those contested adoptions. We don't see
   28:14  those very often. So that fund is uh not often used.
   28:19  Uh traveling conference we left the same at 4,000. Repair and maintenance we left at uh 2,000.
   28:26  And I'm going to skip over legal services. I'll come right back to that.
   28:30  And dues and subscriptions. Uh I did ask for a small increase from 1,600 up to $2,000.
   28:38  Um seems like some of the subscriptions we've had of late uh are increasing in price.
   28:43  It's smaller dollars than 25% in in percentage numbers. So yes, it is. They have a large percent, the small number.
   28:50  Now, the legal services, uh, we're asking for 27,05 there. When I had sent that to Angie, I didn't realize there
   28:58  was not a a line item for family recovery court attorney. Uh, but that's what that money would be used for. So,
   29:06  family recovery court is a problem-solving court that we have here in Grant County. Judge Kenworthy was the one who helped establish that about 15
   29:15  years ago. And it's a collaborative approach much like drug court. Veterans treatment court brings in community
   29:23  stakeholders. Radiant health um being one of the main providers in that and it's for families that have department
   29:32  of child services cases uh that are brought about through substance use disorders. So it's programming specifically in dealing with their
   29:40  substance use disorders. And most of the individuals, not all of them, but most of them have co-occurring criminal
   29:48  cases. And so the idea is they go through family recovery court. Not only do they reunify with their children and
   29:55  their uh Department of Child Services case is terminated, but their criminal case is also dismissed as well. Um so
   30:03  it's very similar to drug court and and the veterans treatment court in that regard. And so the reason why this is
   30:11  showing up uh now is because there has never been a public defender for
   30:19  uh family recovery court. There's always been one for drug court, veterans treatment court. We now have them for re-entry mental health court. There's
   30:27  never been one for uh FRC. And so, uh, I think what had happened, Bruce Elliott
   30:34  had kind of just been graciously helping with FRC. Uh, Bruce Elliott's no longer obviously managing the PD office. Jerry Drook is, and Mr. Droo, I love Mr.
   30:45  Drook, and this is not to, uh, you know, disparage him, but he said, "We're not doing it." You know, if you don't, if we're not getting paid, we're not doing
   30:52  it. And I understand where he's coming from. They're getting paid to do all the others. They're not getting paid to do FRC.
   31:00  The issue then becomes, well, it's really more of a due process issue, right? Because we have individuals that are coming in front of the court. Some
   31:08  of them are facing jail time and other sanctions for contempt of court and they don't have an attorney there to help
   31:15  advocate for them. And so there's there's a due process issue there. And because of that, the Indiana Office of
   31:22  Court Services has told me uh that if we don't have uh an attorney or a public defender to help with F FRC, we probably
   31:30  can't continue the program. And so then we lose a problem solving court. So that's why I'm asking for that 275.
   31:40  That's what they get paid for drug court, veterans treatment court, mental health court, um and re-entry court. So, I'm just asking for the same amount.
   31:50  Now, I'll add one more thing to that.
   31:54  Even though this is in my budget here tonight, um I don't know that it's properly there
   32:01  or certainly not maybe in the best interest of the uh general fund that it be in my budget. So, I would like to see this approved tonight. That would be my
   32:10  wish. But I would suggest that after the first of the year, you transfer it to the public defenders budget and then you'll get the reimbursement uh just
   32:18  like you would for the other money spent on public defenders. So if you spend it out of my account, uh you're probably
   32:26  not going to get that 40% back from the state. So can we just add that to the public defenders budget when we get to that process if we choose to?
   32:32  Yes, that's what we want to do, bro. Does that make sense? Let me just add it to that one during this process if we get if we decide to do that.
   32:41  Is there a [clears throat] defender that would likely take that position? It's already Mr. David Glickfield would be the one that would take that position. So the
   32:49  reasoning behind that is uh Indiana Office of Court Services suggested that we have a public defender that does not
   32:58  handle uh DCS cases routinely uh but has vast experience in problem solving courts. Well, obviously Mr.
   33:06  Blickfield has vast experience in that area, but he does not do the DCS cases routinely.
   33:13  Isn't he already tied up so much with other He is tied up, but he's he's assured me he can uh he can do this. So, um the uh
   33:22  the reasoning behind I think uh Indiana Office of Court Services saying, you know, that's the type of person you're
   33:28  looking for is um in F FRC, you know, it's very possible that maybe both
   33:36  parents are participating at the same time. Not always, but you do see that on occasion. And so, um, you know, if in
   33:45  their, uh, actual underlying DCS case, uh, there's some sort of a a conflict,
   33:53  right? Then you don't want that attorney that's representing them in that underlying case to then be representing them in FRC, uh, particularly when
   34:01  there's a spouse type situation. So to help avoid conflicts, uh they're saying you should probably stay away from somebody that does the underlying chin
   34:09  work, but find somebody that does problem solving work, and that's Mr. Clifffield.
   34:14  How is that attorney paid? Is this like a salary position? They try as many cases come in front of them, or is it per case that they get?
   34:22  No, it's a it's a salary, just a flat rate.
   34:25  So if there's one case comes up next year, he gets 27 grand or whatever that [snorts] is. Well, hopefully there wouldn't be uh just one. So, it's going
   34:34  to require them to be in court every Thursday.
   34:38  [laughter]
   34:39  So, uh every Thursday we do our staffing from 12 to 1. So, they're going to be there for staffing. Uh and they may even
   34:47  attend pre-staffing, which is on Wednesday afternoon, and then they're going to have to be in court from about 1 to 2:30 every Thursday. So it's going
   34:56  to take a minimum I would say of 3 to four hours a week of their time every week for a year and there is such a load of these cases that that does happen every week.
   35:07  Well, it's a requirement of F FRC that they be in court every week uh if they're in phase one and two. So F FRC
   35:15  right now has uh I think about 19 participants and um obviously you know they're always
   35:23  graduating and we're adding to that. I'd like to see the program grow. I've talked to CASA and they've said that they would be willing to assign more
   35:32  staff to help the program grow. Uh DCS has already assigned an additional case worker to help the program grow. So my
   35:40  hope is we could build it up to, you know, 40 or 50 participants, but right now it's about 19. So have you had any conversation with Mr.
   35:48  Drook about the budget situation as far as removing it from this one and putting it in his? You guys, you guys have talked about so he's aware of it.
   35:56  He's aware of that. He's aware I'm asking for this.
   35:59  So and that that magical number of 275 was what? that is the amount that uh the
   36:06  supplemental public defender amount that's being paid for the individual handling like drug court, veterans treatment court, mental health court.
   36:15  So each court has that that whole scenario, right? Okay. Gotcha.
   36:19  But that's in the supplemental public defenders account, not in the general fund, right? It's not going to be something you'd be paying benefits on and all that kind of stuff.
   36:28  I mean, even in uh in Mr. Brook's budget, the public defenders the the person that's doing that work is in the supplemental public defenders fund is what you're thinking.
   36:38  I can't answer. Okay. All right. Well, we'll ask that.
   36:41  Next Wednesday is when he comes in according to the schedule. Next Wednesday. You might mention we're interested talking about that. We can be prepared to talk about that. We'll do that.
   36:48  That's what I'm thinking.
   36:50  And again, [snorts] I'm not saying that to disparrage Mr. Dook. I understand where he's coming from. You know, there's no free lunch, right?
   36:55  Yeah. So, uh so that's the reason uh that is in there for the first time. And then uh let's see capital outlays
   37:05  uh law books [clears throat] we kept the same 750 equipment we kept the same at 3800. So I think uh that's everything.
   37:14  Now I don't think I did share some numbers with you. I was actually pretty proud of these numbers. Superior 2, as I've said is open for business. We
   37:22  continue to be open for business. Uh, as of August 5th of 2026, going back to August 5th of 2025,
   37:31  Grand Superior Court 2 held uh on its docket 8,561 hearings
   37:39  and we closed out 2,156 cases. So, uh, we are moving cases uh,
   37:47  pretty quickly there. In fact, if you compare those numbers to the prior year, um our average age of pending case
   37:56  dropped down to uh 205 days. It was at 305 from August 5th of uh of the prior year to August 5th of 25.
   38:07  33% drop.
   38:09  So yeah, so we're down to 205 days. So what's that what that means is you file any case in my court on average I'm going to have it wrapped up in 6 months.
   38:18  So [snorts] I think that's pretty good pretty good.
   38:23  And so I would say based on the average age of cases to 205 from 305 that
   38:31  I'm going to guess the number of cases closed was greater than the number of cases.
   38:37  Yes. Yeah. So the numbers reflect here like uh criminal cases for example over that whole year we closed those at a rate of 144%.
   38:49  Um we closed out um other civil cases at a rate of 200%. We closed out juvenile cases at a rate of 120%.
   39:01  Uh so we're we're closing out you know generally a lot more cases than are being opened. So [snorts]
   39:10  so hopefully that backlog will continue to decrease. Right. Absolutely.
   39:18  But interesting are those people in those cases in jail?
   39:22  Are they are those people you're talking about those are cases where people are incarcerated? There's a high high probability of that.
   39:29  Yeah. So that that's less jail time done and hopefully unless they've been sentenced to death.
   39:34  Just if you close over 100% of cases, does that mean you're taking some from the previous year and closing them out? Is that is that how you that number?
   39:41  Or maybe even, you know, the year before that or what, you know, I think it was yesterday I closed out a case that was 4
   39:48  years old. Uh the guy had um a warrant out for his arrest for the last two years and he was finally then arrested
   39:57  on that warrant. And so we brought him to court and um you know maybe I was in my lane, maybe I was out
   40:05  of my lane, I don't know. But I asked him, I said, "Hey, you know, is this something we can get resolved today or do we need to set this for a jury trial?" He said, "Well, I'm open to
   40:13  negotiation, you know." And the prosecutor was right there and I said, "Hey, what are you willing to offer this guy?" You know, and you know, they came
   40:20  to terms and we closed it out and got him out of the jail. So he went home incarcerated. Well, um, he had only been [clears throat] in jail for about nine
   40:29  days. But yeah, he had just gotten picked up on the warrant. So, but so that was a, like
   40:36  I said, a fouryear-old case just now close.
   40:39  That could have turned into 6 months. I mean, had that not Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah.
   40:45  Mr. Glickfield's here. I guess if you got any questions on that attorney thing, we hear you took another job. I'm bouncing in between.
   40:55  got about 40 minutes till we have the public meeting for a plan. So, if you need anything, I'm I'll try to help you.
   41:05  I'm trying to think if there was anything else. I think I highlighted all the changes from the previous year.
   41:12  Judge was just talking about how you might be the public defender attorney for the family recovery court.
   41:19  Yeah, we've talked about it. it uh in my conversations with Judge Meeks uh in my
   41:26  understanding from public defenders council, they want someone who has [clears throat] the experience with the
   41:34  problem solving courts because there it's very particular specialized legal knowledge. Um and then it and it also
   41:43  cannot be someone who regularly does chance work because the potential for a termination then creates conflict.
   41:50  So it's it's a limited number of attorneys who could do it. Is that what Yeah, that's what I told.
   42:01  So, at some point I would have to make sure as a public defender, one of the older ones, someone's trained who can take
   42:10  over when I want to step aside cuz I don't want to do this forever.
   42:14  [laughter]
   42:16  It's not the funnest job in the world, but um you see very necessary. Very necessary. Very important. Very important.
   42:25  Mr. K, you ready for a motion on this one?
   42:28  Yes. Uh well I and I've got a question too because of the title 4D incentive
   42:36  fund that we had talked about and I don't know if you were going to go over that one next personel just personel in it.
   42:44  It's just personnel but but because he was [clears throat] changing it to 50,000 and having that paid fully from the
   42:52  general fund there's a zero request for the 20207. What we would do, I think, is we decide on personnel later on, we
   43:00  would if we chose to put that money back in the budget for that fund, we would just do that.
   43:04  Okay. All right. I was just Yeah, I guess I was uh just asking, you know, if you're if you're not going to do the 50 from the general fund, which
   43:12  is is fine. I would just um [snorts] you know, ask in the alternative continue to continue to fund it as you have in the past.
   43:21  Right. So that's I just wanted to clarify that. That's what I was thinking is we just as we move on this. We'll just do that later as we deal with personnel.
   43:27  Yes, absolutely. Mr. McCord, I am ready for a motion.
   43:31  Okay. I would move that we approve the general fund budget for Superior Court 2 supplies as requested, $13,500 total.
   43:42  Uh other services and charges remove the 27,500 from the budget here revising
   43:48  that total to 92,124 and approving capital outlays in the amount of 4,450 as requested.
   43:56  550 4,550 I say 450 4,550. Yeah. Sorry about that.
   44:02  All right. Thank you, Mr. McCur. And thank you Mr. Limming for seconding that.
   44:10  Anyone have any questions uh regarding that? The the only question I have is the CASA in the past we approved 63639.
   44:22  Was that the maximum that the state would allow to match that was the state grant and so now it's gone higher and so that's why you're requesting the additional amount just to clarify.
   44:31  And I guess my motion that's why I included it is I see it as being a helpful to that program. So that's why it's a kind of a hefty increase. 16.5%
   44:40  increase, but I guess I felt like it was probably worthy of what we're doing if they're matching.
   44:44  That's why I put in there and and I think the sheet too talking about the number of children served through the program one for one match. They'll buy it's like 40% of it.
   44:53  No, that the cost is one for one. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Mhm.
   44:57  But again, it's dependent on what you all do. The state will only give them what we what you give them. But they're saying you're eligible up to the 74124.
   45:07  That's that's the max they will make.
   45:10  Y and Mr. McCord's motion includes the full amount then the 74124. I'm okay with that.
   45:18  Okay. So we've got a motion and a second. Any other questions?
   45:22  Just real quick. And this may not it may not matter now but the K9 supplies. Why do you keep that so high if you're if you have grand coming in on that?
   45:31  Honestly, just because I'm scared of what might happen if she needed surgery or something like that, you know, the grand even possible. I would say the
   45:39  grand if you don't need to use it, you won't use it, obviously.
   45:42  Right. Right. Yeah. We're not going to go spend 9,000 on toys that [laughter] I'm not asking to change his motion. I
   45:51  just curious on that. I thought the same thing as well. Maybe it's there because if he runs out of grant money and we need that there's a lot of possibilities.
   45:57  Yes.
   46:00  All right. We've got a motion in a second. Uh all in favor please signify by saying I.
   46:05  And those opposed same sign. Motion carries. All right. Appreciate it, gentlemen. Thank you.
   46:10  I'll let Mr. Dro know you'll talk to him about the other. Appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
   46:16  Yeah. So Mr. said that the four will deal with that until later in the process. Yeah. Just making sure though that Yeah.
   46:22  We can't forget that, right? It'll be a note. Yep.
   46:27  All right. Next, uh on our agenda is uh the assessor general fund 1000 assessor.
   46:40  Afternoon or good evening. Good evening. Good evening.
   46:47  We're going to start with the general. Yes.
   46:53  Okay. Um, looks like everything's pretty much the same exception of salaries of course.
   47:00  Um, we did request less in contractual services just because you see there we
   47:08  haven't we need to keep it in just in case. So, we did drop that down.
   47:15  and the repair and maintenance. I just would like even though my our cars have not needed the repairs in the last 3 years, it doesn't mean that we won't have to.
   47:28  It looks like you've been fortunate to last. Yes. Yes. Really good. That's showing zero.
   47:32  Mhm. [clears throat] Let me do the new tire. So,
   47:40  they said we could probably go another year. We only get our oil changed once a year because that's all we needed.
   47:48  Yeah.
   47:49  Well, just you know, we're always just in the county. So, yeah.
   47:58  Anybody have any questions on any of those?
   48:02  You want to go ahead and address the the personnel changes you're requesting items? We're not going to act on those tonight, but you might let us know what you're thinking. Um, I know I gave a
   48:10  couple people a little bit more out of the out of uh sales disclosure because we do have more money. The sales disclosure is at $20 now instead of 10.
   48:20  Um, you actually had no increase shown in the general fund. Correct. Right. Okay.
   48:26  Yeah. Um, the raise is not supposed to be on me. I seen that it's got all my tab and it's not supposed to be. So, I
   48:34  mean, I didn't notice that, but I that was a mistake on the sales disclosures cuz it shows I'm asking for
   48:42  if that was a mistake. It's not supposed to be on me. Doesn't matter.
   48:45  Is it somewhere else or it it should be on Amy, but I mean that's not the way it was
   48:54  advertised or anything like that. So, should be on which one? On Amy coffee. Yeah.
   49:03  So you want that down to that line.
   49:04  That's where it should be. That's my mistake. I was not feeling well with these guys.
   49:13  Yeah. Right now in her line, as I looked at today, she had no rage.
   49:17  Correct. And I didn't see that until right now.
   49:23  She's a good worker.
   49:32  [clears throat]
   49:37  But I do have like how much we have gotten in sales disclosures for the last well 2022 is the first time it went to
   49:46  $20 or for the whole year. It switched to the middle 21. So, I didn't print out any of those, but it looks like it's 17
   49:56  174 I do believe is the highest we collected and the lowest is 15 15,000.
   50:07  So, we're still well in our budget.
   50:23  You want to go take care of general fund now? Sure.
   50:29  Okay. I would make a motion that we approve the assessor's general fund budget for categories to the supplies in about $1,500 as requested and other
   50:38  services and charges 10,500 as requested. Thank you, Mr. McCord. Do we have a second?
   50:47  All right. Thank you, Mr. Kado.
   50:51  Anyone have any questions or comments regarding those two counts?
   50:59  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I.
   51:02  I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
   51:09  You want to do the reassessment or the sales disclosures?
   51:13  Uh, you could talk about the sales disclosures. Really? She already has cuz personnel.
   51:20  Yeah, it's just personnel. So, you can go ahead and go on to the uh reassessment. Okay.
   51:27  And looks like everything's pretty much the
   51:36  same with the exception we asked for more or no, it's the same in travel. We just haven't used it yet.
   51:43  um maintenance agreement.
   51:47  Uh that there should have been something in there hopefully. Did you put um like invoice cuz if it went up that's the reason why.
   51:58  Yeah. Went up slightly like 9.1% as much. Yeah. What are those maintenance agreements?
   52:06  That's our uh our nexus.
   52:10  Okay. That's been paid for the year then.
   52:13  Yes, we pay it quarterly. Yeah. All through the year. Well, that would be No, I'm sorry. That's our software appropriate.
   52:22  I'm thinking we've expended 42,000. We're halfway through the year.
   52:27  [clears throat]
   52:28  It we it shouldn't be any more than that. Okay. Cuz we budget what we get.
   52:35  You got a lot of space in contractual services though. You got a budget of 105. He's only spent 45 so far.
   52:42  Yeah. So, it can go both ways. You're okay with that? Yeah.
   52:48  Well, then we have contractual service would be the Nexus or commercial and that's the one we pay quarterly.
   53:01  You taking more magazines or subscriptions? No.
   53:04  The the maintenance and that's the our that's our software program. No subscriptions. Oh, subscriptions.
   53:13  I don't know that that was a typo. I know that I I'm really thinking that was a typo.
   53:20  I do know that some of our subscriptions like I would like to get a couple like the commercial ones for our commercial
   53:27  pills and you need like but I wanted to research and I'm going to conference I'm going to find out which ones are the
   53:35  best ones for like uh listings and stuff like cuz even like uh which one
   53:42  even like all your commercial like even I can't even think of what it's called
   53:50  now. Loop Loopnet. You have to have a You have to have a paid prescription to
   53:56  or paid subscription to look up like the list the things that have sold all the
   54:04  stuff like that. And I don't have any public record.
   54:07  Some of it is, but like it it'll depend on the listing. But no, you can't. It'll just say who sold. It doesn't say like
   54:16  what it'll say sold this. Okay.
   54:20  But it doesn't say anything like um leases and stuff like that and that's what you paid for.
   54:28  I loop that would not be what I'm going to do. So right now you have 600 in there. You're saying that could be a typo. You
   54:36  I think it's a typo right now, but we have talked about getting some of those.
   54:39  What do you want? You want to keep it at 600 or you looking for it to be different than that? We can leave it at 100 because right now I don't know what ones I want.
   54:49  If you leave it at 100, you may not be able to get the ones you I know. I know. But it's fine. You're thinking 100's okay. Mhm.
   54:55  Cut it in half. At least we're Yeah, we could do that.
   55:12  I do not like that. I was not.
   55:16  But the maintenance agreement needs to stay at 48100. Yes.
   55:22  There's a reason why. And it should be in there.
   55:26  If not, I apologize. I said I was really not killing well when these were done.
   55:42  Okay. Any questions on anyone?
   55:54  Who's ready to move? I'm ready to make a motion. I appreciate you. Yep. Let's do that, Mr. Report. Okay. We don't go too long. All right. I'm going to move that we approve the reassessment fund budget.
   56:03  In categories two, which is supplies of 5,500, I'm going to amend in category 3 subscriptions back to the $100 you had
   56:11  before. So we reduce that category to 186,6 uh7731
   56:18  18673 $500 off.
   56:24  And then category 4 capital leaving as a request of 4500.
   56:33  All right. Thank you, Mr. McCord. Do we have a second? Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. [snorts] L.
   56:41  Any other questions or comments regarding this report?
   56:49  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries.
   56:58  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next on our agenda, we have corner.
   57:13  As far as I know, there's nothing changed. Left it last year.
   57:23  Right. No request for pay increases. No.
   57:39  Any questions or comments? Otherwise, entertain a motion.
   57:47  Mr. Okay. I'll move that we approve the budget for the corners department of the general fund. Categories 2, $6,000 as
   57:54  requested. Category 3, $148,000 as requested. And capital outlays category 4, $4,000 as requested. Thank you, Mr.
   58:04  McCord. I'd second it. All right. Thank you, Mr.
   58:09  We know he almost has to come back at the beginning of the year if he has any more. Sometimes that happens to us.
   58:18  All right. Any questions or comments?
   58:19  Unfortunately, when it comes to the autopsies and so in the past, remember years we had to really do that a lot of time. It seemed like you compensate for deputy corners. They get called out.
   58:28  They get compensated. Correct.
   58:30  Yep. [clears throat] From the deputy corner, they get called or paid per call that 156 covers calls as of now. Okay.
   58:40  After first of year, I'm sure it's going to change.
   58:43  I mean, [clears throat] I know it have to be on the next year's budget, but yes, because he's only worked with one deputy director, which is myself for four years.
   58:52  Won't work with either one of us that's running. So, okay.
   58:57  [clears throat]
   59:02  All right. We've got a motion by Mr.
   59:04  McCart and a second by Mr. Lemming. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I.
   59:10  Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
   59:16  Next on our agenda, we have a county general fund recorder.
   59:25  Good evening.
   59:27  How do we want to start at the general fund? Yes, please.
   59:32  Okay. [snorts] For the salaries, I think I did a 5% increase. And then there's my
   59:39  postage, which the postage is used for if we get a mechanic's lane, we have to mail that day to the person getting the
   59:48  lean on them. So that's what I use the postage for.
   59:54  They last fall cuz we don't get a ton of them.
   59:58  I'm going to take you back to the salary piece. Just 5% for your full-time piece.
 1:00:01  The part time you did a dollar. Yeah, you did a dollar on the hourly rate which is 5.3 something%. So, just want to make sure you that's what you were thinking. The dollar increase on the part.
 1:00:11  Oh, yeah. I wasn't talking about her. I was just talking about the regulars. Okay. Because I don't have one now anymore. Okay.
 1:00:20  I would like it to be more than maybe I could keep a part-time. How many hours they work?
 1:00:28  28 a week with no paid holidays, no benefits.
 1:00:38  I'll work on that for you. You want to work for her?
 1:00:41  I'll work on that for you. Didn't say I would do it. I work on finding you someone. A good one.
 1:00:50  In my spare time.
 1:00:52  Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They have to put up with me. [snorts] My crap.
 1:00:59  [laughter]
 1:01:00  Greg knows.
 1:01:04  Actually, I get a lot of compliments from you and your department. Thank you. Yes. Very good.
 1:01:11  I only get lippy to people I know. I like it.
 1:01:18  All right. So maybe on the uh general fund um entertain a motion regarding uh account uh three with the postage.
 1:01:30  [laughter]
 1:01:31  Can you guys swing it? I don't know. We haven't got that. Yeah. Just asking. We will swing that. All right.
 1:01:37  Who's going to who's going to make the motion? I don't know. So move. All right. Second. Second by Mr. Leming. Thank you.
 1:01:46  [snorts] Any other questions or comments regarding the postage account?
 1:01:52  All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those post [clears throat] same sign. Motion carries. We got one more for you.
 1:01:59  The perpetuation fund. Yes.
 1:02:04  The first one is um $2,000 and it probably Don't I have to pay a little bit more than that for something taxes
 1:02:13  or maybe not. Yeah, there's there's social security and FICA and FICA on there as well.
 1:02:19  Yeah. So, it might be a little above that, but that's for um my first deputy who I
 1:02:26  just paid her an extra two grand because she wasn't as comparable to the other first deputies in the county. So, I bumped her up. So, I pay for that part out of my perpetuation fund.
 1:02:40  Well, yeah. Actually, it's kind of funny because I did the math today just looking at your salary schedule and uh 5% increase in the general fund, but she
 1:02:48  has no increase in the perpetuation funds. Her actual increase is 4.7% instead of five.
 1:02:53  You're so good at that. [laughter] Well, I'd use my calculator on that.
 1:02:59  But I noticed there was no increase in the perpetuation fund. So, her actual total percent is down less than the five.
 1:03:06  Oh, maybe I should. Well, we'll see what you guys want to do with that.
 1:03:09  [clears throat]
 1:03:09  Right. I just noticed this.
 1:03:12  I like that. This is hers.
 1:03:16  [laughter]
 1:03:16  She didn't give me a black one. I'm like, I died. I'll get you one. Okay.
 1:03:23  So, on supplies, um, I stayed the same.
 1:03:28  My microfilm supply and development stayed the same. Uh, contractual services the same.
 1:03:37  um conversion and storage that is um where
 1:03:44  it's my offsite um [snorts] storage for my stuff. So in case there was a natural disaster, I
 1:03:52  could just get a laptop with Wi-Fi and we would have access to all our stuff again.
 1:03:59  So that went up because the more documents we do, and this also includes our back indexing we're doing of the old documents, the price goes up. So that one went up a little bit.
 1:04:12  And conference and travel stay the same.
 1:04:15  My service agreement, which is what I do my um projects with, is the same. Software went up.
 1:04:26  [clears throat]
 1:04:27  They because I just renewed my contract and they did a price increase because I renewed my contract every four
 1:04:35  years. So, the price went up a little bit for next year.
 1:04:40  Dues and subscriptions, it stayed the same because it my subscription and dues were my dues to
 1:04:48  the recorders association is based on my income.
 1:04:52  So, I always try to figure it more Then just in case I get a raise,
 1:05:00  [laughter]
 1:05:02  planning ahead.
 1:05:04  And then I paid 20 per full-time staff to the recorders association.
 1:05:11  And then equipment stayed the same. You did reduce dropped. I don't know why I did that.
 1:05:20  Do we need to increase service agreements? Cuz it look like we're over every year.
 1:05:25  You never know. I think that's when she comes back if if the project she wants to do increases. So, she comes back or if I start another one when one's not all the way done.
 1:05:34  So, we're at 97 already this year. Was that We already approved an additional I think too, didn't we? Yeah. Twice. Two months in a row.
 1:05:42  So, we've done that already.
 1:05:49  Well, binding is if I want to take a book like that. the covers all torn up and I can go have it rebinded and stuff,
 1:05:57  but I can also use my service agreement fund for that.
 1:06:02  So, you want to leave that at zero in there now? Yeah, that's fine. Okay.
 1:06:06  Cuz I don't think I've used any out of that in the long time I've been a recorder.
 1:06:11  Last couple years at least, it shows zero. I don't think I've ever used it. Okay. Then equipment.
 1:06:20  I thought equipment was always two 3,000. That's why I put that. So, it's been two and you haven't spent that either. No, which is okay.
 1:06:29  Well, I did a couple years ago. We had to get um new scanner and it was before recording. It must have
 1:06:37  been [clears throat] before probably.
 1:06:40  But now we're about to go um uh without the Epson do paperless
 1:06:50  um prepping the documents. You guys wouldn't know what I'm talking about. So So we may not have to use the equipment
 1:06:59  cuz it's obsolete now. If it breaks down, we're done with it. So So you want to leave it at three or you
 1:07:06  want to reduce to where it was? You can make it back down to two cuz it's I like that. Okay.
 1:07:18  And then my perpetualation fund is also the 2000 for Megan. But oh, never mind everything.
 1:07:26  Okay, I'm done. All right.
 1:07:35  [snorts]
 1:07:36  Share would entertain a motion regarding the I believe this would be the motion the supplies category 2 of 9,000 other
 1:07:46  services and charges category 3 of 157725 and capital outlays
 1:07:53  uh [clears throat] category 4 of uh $2,000. So move. All right. Thank you, Mr. McCor.
 1:08:01  Do we have a second? Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Any questions or comments?
 1:08:09  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those post, same sign. Motion carries.
 1:08:16  Thank you very much. We have on here for a break.
 1:08:24  Um, but uh I don't know if anybody needs one. Otherwise, we can just uh roll on through and be finished.
 1:08:33  All right. Oh, yeah. One more.
 1:08:35  Y
 1:08:37  [laughter]
 1:08:38  sidebar sidebar. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
 1:08:47  Good to be gentlemen.
 1:08:50  Um, I'll start with 4922 since that's strictly personnel 4922.
 1:08:56  Um, I did make a calculation error on my dispatchers. Um, I am requesting a 5%
 1:09:03  pay raise uh for all my staff. Uh, the cost of living was 2.8% in 2026. It's projected to be 4% in 27.
 1:09:14  um with a 5% increase that would move my my my dispatchers to uh $48,219.15.
 1:09:24  For the 14 [laughter] uh positions, instead of 16, that total should be $675,6810.
 1:09:34  So, following the last week's meeting, I removed or I would like to remove those two seats from my request
 1:09:41  for 27. You want to, you said you want to remove those two?
 1:09:44  Yes. And then we'll address those per your guys' suggestion 6 months after fully staffed.
 1:09:54  Okay. 18.
 1:09:56  Yes. It' be 14. It would be 14 dispatchers and four uh people. Yeah. Total 18 people.
 1:10:08  The uh request for the CTO's was correct on the 5%. Right. Yeah. 7.3% of the others. Yeah.
 1:10:21  All right.
 1:10:26  Anybody have any questions regarding the central dispatch fund 4922? [snorts]
 1:10:34  Um I'll just I'll make this comment. Of course, it's going to change the numbers now, whatever that becomes, [clears throat] but uh just looking at
 1:10:41  uh 4922 and this is using numbers we had.
 1:10:45  So, I guess we'd have to revise those. I had the budget of 1,595.
 1:10:50  How much do you think the budget would be now? Kevin, do you have the number for the 14 dispatchers just for salaries alone, not FI for anything else? It's 675 6810.
 1:11:02  675 68 10.
 1:11:08  Okay, it's like it it should be roughly 90 96,000 difference I believe. That's
 1:11:15  what I'm showing anyway between the Oh, there's going to be more because of the difference between the
 1:11:23  Yeah, we'd be taking off two dispatchers and removing part of that race or dispatchers, whatever it be, whatever that total is. So, um,
 1:11:32  hey, what I was going to say is the budget that he had wasn't we couldn't fund it with the revenue we have coming in, but that changes that. Let me let me
 1:11:40  just do the quick map, I guess. I don't know. Uh, well, it's going to change the FICA and all that stuff. It all changes.
 1:11:46  I'll redo that. But, uh, of course, we're not dealing with personnel now anyway, so it's okay. I'm just going to point out
 1:11:53  we going to have a deficit in the funding for that fund with the current budget. We still may have one, but it's going to be reduced now because of this change. In fact, it
 1:12:01  may be not even a deficit now with that change cuz I had a deficit of 147,000.
 1:12:06  That was using current cash balance and the rest of this year at receipts and dispersements. And then using next year's projections 123127, we'd have a $147,000 deficit.
 1:12:18  But I'd say it's going to be more like a zero or less. Maybe we'll have a little positive balance now with that change.
 1:12:24  We'll see when once she gets the revised numbers, we get the personnel time, we can look at it, make that decision. So, but bottom line, what what it boils down
 1:12:31  to is is the general fund who has to pay for any deficit that we have there. Mhm.
 1:12:37  We have a line item in the commissioner budget that we would use to fund that if if that happens, whatever we decide to do with it. So, so
 1:12:45  I guess in this case, never mind right now. We'll see what the revised number is when Angie recalculates that.
 1:12:51  Yep. [clears throat] I would just remind the council that you know the staff didn't get a pay raise last year. So, and then just in the highlight that's in
 1:12:59  yellow on that page two, the expiration at 2029 with those agreements with those cities.
 1:13:06  Is that at the beginning of 2029 or the end? Did we ask that? I believe it's like mid year. Is it I think it's June or July.
 1:13:15  So, they'd be paying half a year to us probably.
 1:13:17  Okay. Yeah. I was I was going to ask the same question. I didn't look at that. I bring you the level agreement. Yeah. Okay. Use whatever.
 1:13:24  So, it might be June or July. It might be about it a half year 29 in there. Maybe. We'll see. We need to at some time here soon verify that. Make sure what it is right before it runs out.
 1:13:33  Yeah. As we're getting closer.
 1:13:35  I know. I was looking at some lift stuff on a schedule. You know, I was kind of letting adding in this is the amount it's going to be for.
 1:13:42  We're going have to have the revenue to cover that at some point, right? Okay. Yeah. I thought it was either Mr.
 1:13:48  Breaker will Mr. Cadell that referenced that in an email. Mr. Breaker, I also read today where the state has a $750 million surplus in the L.
 1:13:57  What fun?
 1:13:58  And don't they have a full You're saying $750 million. Wow. It could easily disperse out, you know, of course. And
 1:14:06  remember that we do and and I don't know for sure how their timing works. I don't don't my comments don't reflect that cuz I'm not sure how they work on that
 1:14:13  timing. But we do and we have at least for the last few years it seems like receive a supplemental distribution in
 1:14:20  the spring like usually May. Angie, is that the right month? Usually May sometime we when do we send out those letters?
 1:14:30  The supplemental lit. Oh, the supplemental.
 1:14:33  It's usually May sometime. We get notified of that. I think we got one this year. We got a supplemental amount.
 1:14:38  I'm not sure if that's part of that or not. I I don't know that.
 1:14:40  I was alarming to see such a huge balance.
 1:14:42  But we should just be getting Grant County money. So, but I don't know how they time it when it comes in through the taxation process when they get it
 1:14:50  out to us because right now the the jail that we have in place. We just put that in place last October then to start collecting in January. Well, we're
 1:14:58  getting money now. So, there's no delay in that payment. we're getting at least well I say that but yeah based on the percentage we're getting that we're
 1:15:06  supposed to get you know so there's not a delay there so I'm not sure how that timing works from there in so I'm not [clears throat] sure how to say that but
 1:15:13  maybe we need to petition that 750 million divided by 92 count yeah
 1:15:21  help brother out [laughter] when all the gas tax comes to play they'll take care of that
 1:15:28  yeah that's All right. So, you've got uh that fund
 1:15:36  done as far as Yeah. No2 and then uh 1222 uh salaries. Yes.
 1:15:44  Um again, 5% increase for both myself and my deputy director. Um I would also
 1:15:51  ask for your consideration and potentially uh allowing me to receive longevity in 2027. Um, I've been with
 1:15:59  the county for 26 years and have not received longevity since I've been well since I'm really since I left the sheriff's office.
 1:16:09  And that's because it must be some of the language that requires the I don't know why the director doesn't get I
 1:16:16  don't know if I don't know I don't know the the legalities of that but I would Okay. So you're thinking maybe the
 1:16:24  position itself is exempted from getting I I I was hired as an as exempted from that and I'm would [clears throat] like to change that if I can.
 1:16:36  Uh the sheriff's office was by contract.
 1:16:40  You were receiving longevity pay when you were with sheriff?
 1:16:42  Yes, by contract. And then my dispatchers receive it based on you know when they went to such dispatch they
 1:16:49  would not lose anything they had. So they are receiving longevity as so is my deputy.
 1:16:55  Those are the ones if they get a new one they don't.
 1:16:58  Correct. Five. Okay. It's a year six I believe is when it starts.
 1:17:00  So even new ones at year six they get it. Yes. Okay.
 1:17:06  I guess I would have any problem with that cuz you got to fill in for right.
 1:17:09  If you fill in I'm curious why you were exempt. I don't I don't know.
 1:17:19  Can you somehow maybe let us know why you don't at this point?
 1:17:22  I can try to figure out see if that is just so we know if there's a reason for that thread. We need to kind of think about the reason.
 1:17:33  Yeah, especially if the other's coming in. Yeah.
 1:17:39  There's probably good reason it's not loose. You know what it is. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
 1:17:45  I I noticed you went to zero in supplies, though.
 1:17:48  Well, that's because we moved it earlier this year from from 1222 to uh general.
 1:17:57  Okay. There's like a general fund is actually paying for that. At least there's an account. I think it's in is that in the commissioner budget or it's my budget.
 1:18:05  It is there separately. Is that part of communication?
 1:18:08  Communications and it's part of communications.
 1:18:10  It's uh location 0303 I believe. Yeah, that's a separate I got a page for that.
 1:18:16  You got it's in this. Yeah, we got it right here. Yeah, we got it.
 1:18:19  We got it in here. Should have So, contractual services and supplies were moved from the 1222 to uh general
 1:18:26  fund to help alleviate the demand on the 1222 fund. Um, we receive money from the state of
 1:18:35  Indiana for for the 1222 fund. We get I believe it is it monthly?
 1:18:40  Yes. uh deposits from the state 91 board. Um we have not received an
 1:18:46  increase in that contribution from the state as long as I can remember. Um and nobody in the state has. Yeah. I think I
 1:18:55  recall from back when we put the central dispatch over there part of that revenue stream. We looked at that and I think it was projected that would never go up for
 1:19:04  us. Maybe even if any go down, but it's been pretty constant.
 1:19:07  It it has been constant. Wouldn't wouldn't go up. So, so to to alleviate some of the the constraints on that fund, we did move the general fund or
 1:19:14  the contractual fund to the general fund. And then uh we asked that the
 1:19:20  council move the supplies uh from the 1222 which is a restricted fund to the
 1:19:27  general fund. Uh because certain purchases that you you purchase out of for supplies are not eligible 1222 funds
 1:19:36  or purchases. So the the council has to then reimburse those funds. So in order to get away from that, we just moved all of the supplies to the general fund.
 1:19:47  Thank you. [snorts] In fact, we we moved, you look at that the communications page, we actually moved telephone expenses over there, too, from
 1:19:55  at least a portion of it. We haven't taken it all, but we've moved part of telephone over there as well. Last 26,
 1:20:01  we put 15,000 in that general fund communications budget.
 1:20:08  And again, I've done the math as preparing for budget for the 911 fund.
 1:20:12  And if you look at what we had June 30, 26 adding what we projected in receipts
 1:20:20  spinning the budget [clears throat] at the end of December 21st, we should have about 38,000 plus,000 in cash in
 1:20:27  there. 38,000 plus. in 27. Then if you add our receipts that we expect to receive, which is roughly $530,000,
 1:20:35  take off this proposed budget 593785, we're going to have a deficit of about $25,400
 1:20:43  to the 27th. So, if we approve right now, of course, we don't know what we're going to do with with personnel, but uh it would look like if we are going to
 1:20:52  consider approving this entire budget, we would probably need to remove something from other services and charges. I would say we probably need to
 1:20:59  remove another another portion of the telephone cost out of the 911 fund and put in the general fund. Probably $25,000.
 1:21:09  Uh it would be my recommendation that you you remove the IDAX terminal line from the 1222 and move that to to um the
 1:21:17  general fund. The reason I say that is because Marcus is currently working with uh the Indiana State Office of Technology to redo our IDAX connection.
 1:21:27  So we may not have to pay that that fee. It may go away. It may go away. So, if we if we can move that to
 1:21:35  the general fund, then you know that would give give us some more breathing room in the 1222.
 1:21:41  I would say you need to move that $6,500 plus another 20,000 out of the telephone.
 1:21:46  So, you'd be in my mind you'd be reducing telephone request 250,000
 1:21:51  [clears throat]
 1:21:52  and removing the 6,500 and putting that into the general funds communications budget. the uh telephone, the $170,000
 1:22:00  telephone. I believe that is the uh cont contractual lease payments on the 911 equipment that we currently have.
 1:22:10  No, no, that's that there's a unless I heard you wrong. If we have that lease and lease principal and lease interest, I believe that is the radio system.
 1:22:19  That's that's the tower and all the US the US Bank lease. Okay, I believe what that is. Yes.
 1:22:24  Right. And we're using that for down to general and out of this fund. So you're saying the telephone that's what then
 1:22:30  instead is the the 911 equipment that I have in my basement to handle the So that wasn't part of the lease we did. No, it was not. Okay.
 1:22:39  Uh that it was a a 10-year uh contract with AT&T uh signed by the sheriff when he had um the dispatch.
 1:22:49  Well, bottom line is we can't afford to pay for all that. If we do anything raises out of this fund. So, if we're not going to do any raises, then we may have to move all that. But right now,
 1:22:57  I'd say we probably ought to consider moving the $6,500 out to the general and probably 20,000 out of that telephone line to general.
 1:23:08  I just did the math on that. I think it would make [clears throat] it $34750 instead of the 3607250.
 1:23:18  Yeah, you're [clears throat] saying general is in general communications fund, right? Yes.
 1:23:24  Yes. 0303 is the location.
 1:23:35  Hang on. I can't do this calculator.
 1:23:44  You said 34750. Yes. 34750.
 1:23:54  Kevin, if I can take you back to the dispatch salary comparison sheet that we have on the approved longevity. Mhm.
 1:24:01  So there there's one employee that was just hired in May that's listed as receiving $4,500
 1:24:09  in longevity pay. That should that should not be okay cuz I'm I'm looking at the numbers and I'm assuming that there's
 1:24:17  heirs for for some reason because obviously there's people hired before this one.
 1:24:23  No, anybody who is less than 5 years of service does not receive longevity.
 1:24:29  So I think he's talking about Wolf.
 1:24:37  Yeah, that shows 4592.
 1:24:40  Mhm. But not too heavy if even the Gordon is [snorts] a higher longevity than
 1:24:47  it's a formula and it probably just got messed up.
 1:24:50  Now Gordon, she she is a veteran so uh she came from the city so she has her she should be almost maxed out in fact.
 1:24:59  Okay.
 1:25:02  So are all the rest of these correct then? One, two, three. So there's four that received longevity.
 1:25:12  So Wolf should be zero. Wolf should be zero. Judy is correct.
 1:25:18  Um
 1:25:23  [clears throat]
 1:25:24  so Angela, Judy, Yep. William, and Jeffrey. Yep.
 1:25:31  Just the four.
 1:25:34  and and I can and I can confirm that with my records if you would like.
 1:25:37  Yeah, that would be fine. That way, at least we know the sheep is correct. We are me to make reference back to future
 1:25:45  I won't. But is there a term on the equipment lease or is that perpetual? Is that the towers?
 1:25:52  So, Mr. Mcworth, you have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was a 25 was it 25 year lease with US Bank?
 1:25:58  Uh, I don't have that schedule with me. It it was a longterm thing. I'm not sure.
 1:26:04  May maybe only 15 though. Does 15 sound right? I I got to look.
 1:26:09  Yeah, I'd have to look to I don't recall it for sure. It's nothing that's going away.
 1:26:13  No, it's going to be a while. Around the while.
 1:26:15  Yeah. Yeah. But I I [snorts] can't recall how the term I'd have to get the schedule.
 1:26:20  There were certain there were reasons why the county opted to purchase its own system. First of all, reliability. Uh we
 1:26:27  were on the stateowned system from 2006 until our system came online and anytime it would rain, snow or blow, uh Grant
 1:26:35  County would become an island and could not communicate outside of our county.
 1:26:41  So um it wasn't until after we signed the uh agreement with US Bank and JK
 1:26:48  Communications for our system that the state came in and fixed that problem.
 1:26:56  I know I have this I have the schedule on my county council budget but older but I show the last payment being due 630
 1:27:04  when 30 so it must have been a 15year that's what I'm thinking so we got five four or five more years on
 1:27:11  at that point you're going to need new stuff probably I would hope not I mean I'm just thinking 2728 free capital but
 1:27:20  no we we we got top-n equipment. Um we didn't just go go buy the cheap China
 1:27:28  stuff um for lack of a better term. But um but the equip the equipment we didn't order on TU.
 1:27:34  No, we did not. Um the equipment we got um is is is topnotch and it's wellmaintained as part of my contractual
 1:27:41  agreement. Uh we have 24-hour on call 2-hour response for anything that I need.
 1:27:47  So thank you. He went over laying
 1:27:52  [laughter]
 1:27:56  [snorts]
 1:27:56  we we educated.
 1:27:58  That's all right. Probably don't need to know, right? It's a knockoff Amazon.
 1:28:02  Yeah. Okay. Well, I heard that one very much.
 1:28:06  Uh LTD Commodities. Does that sound familiar?
 1:28:09  LTD boards. I remember those. But
 1:28:11  [laughter]
 1:28:12  what do you Oh, wait. Wait. Found on road dead. All
 1:28:19  [laughter]
 1:28:21  right. All right. All right. So I think on E 911 fund 1222 uh for
 1:28:29  category 2 uh that supplies is zero. Other services and charges category 3 I
 1:28:38  believe that new total would be 34750 removing the IDAX terminal line and removing 20,000 from telephone. And then
 1:28:46  capital outlays category 4 would be 20,000 as requested. I believe that's correct.
 1:28:55  All right. So the chair would entertain a motion for approval on those items. So move.
 1:29:03  All right. Thank you, Mr. McCord. Second.
 1:29:06  All right. Thank you, Mr. Ling. Any other questions or comments regarding that fund in those categories?
 1:29:15  hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I.
 1:29:18  And those opposed, same sign. Now I think we're on to the general fund and communications. Yes. Um contractual
 1:29:25  services, I uh bumped it up $30,000. Um speaking of the communications equipment, the uh the service agreement
 1:29:33  for that next year is going to be uh a little bit higher. Um we are due for some equipment refresh.
 1:29:41  Um and that's built into that cost.
 1:29:47  um supplies. I'm asking for an additional $500 just to cover inflation.
 1:29:53  Um telephone if we're moving the 20,000 over that would be 35,000.
 1:30:00  Yeah. And Idax would be 6,500 and 2500 in promotion.
 1:30:09  The make other service and charges 314,000.
 1:30:12  Yes. as far as Y [snorts] total for that fund will be 3215 for that department 3215.
 1:30:30  So we're adding IDAX. Yes. What are the new one?
 1:30:34  Uh we're moving telephone the 20,000 from telephone.
 1:30:37  Yeah, that's 35. the 35 and then um I thought we moved. It's just two
 1:30:45  things. Zidex 6,500. Okay. And the 20,000.
 1:30:52  [snorts]
 1:30:55  Believe that's right. Just those two. I believe I'm not seeing anything else that pops off the paper.
 1:31:03  So category 2 supplies would be 7500. Category 3 would be uh $314,000
 1:31:13  or as Mr. McCart noted a grand total of $3215 for approval.
 1:31:21  All right. Thank you, Mr. McCart. All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle.
 1:31:26  [snorts]
 1:31:26  Anyone else have any questions or comments regarding that?
 1:31:31  If not, all in favor signify by saying I. I. those same gentlemen. I really appreciate all you do for the county.
 1:31:39  Thank you [laughter] for you guys really are marvelous at what you do.
 1:31:48  Thank somebody.
 1:31:52  Thank you for all you guys do. That's a very important very important jobs that you guys do on a daily basis. 24/7 365 365.
 1:32:06  All right. Uh,
 1:32:09  [clears throat]
 1:32:10  move to adjourn the meeting. I'll make that motion, Mr. All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle. Second.
 1:32:18  Thank you, Mr. Cut.
 1:32:22  All in favor, please signify by saying I.
 1:32:24  Those opposed, same sign. Meeting adjourned.