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    0:00  Julie last night I had asked for a motion to close but I shouldn't have um because it's really a recess uh as opposed to that. So just a procedural
    0:08  issue there. But uh now we'll just uh reconvene and um we have weights and measures
    0:17  as our next good evening. Um just presenting the
    0:26  budget for this year. The only change from last year and actually the last couple years is I asked for $200 more in
    0:32  repair and maintenance. Um I don't know if you're aware I have a slide in prover unit on the back of our truck and it's
    0:40  approximately 15 years old. There's just some seals and things like that. Gas is costic gets eaten away. So I just have
    0:47  to have a little bit to to take care of those other than the budget is the same.
    0:58  All right. I I don't believe this is the first time this has happened, but maybe I'll I'll just mention it because it
    1:06  says our adopted budget on the front for salaries is 5655 from last year for 2026. And then for this year, it's 5655,
    1:16  which is the same. But if you flip back to the green sheet, it says 2026 is 48,967. because we have 27 pays this year.
    1:25  Okay.
    1:25  So there's an extra pay on the 26th salary.
    1:30  So that's why it's slightly Yes. That's why there will be a difference.
    1:33  Okay. Super. And I'm thankful to accept that as your mind the timing.
    1:43  Okay. Very good.
    1:58  Yes. With that, uh, the chair would understand a motion regarding, uh, category 2 supplies for 550,
    2:07  other services and charges, category 3 for 3,000, and, uh, capital outlay is category 4 for 300.
    2:16  So, all right. Thank you, Mr. We have a second.
    2:23  All right. Thank you, Mr. Ble.
    2:26  Have a motion and a second to approve those items of this budget for weights and measures. Anybody have any questions or comments?
    2:36  If not, all in favor signify by saying I. I. Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
    2:44  All right. Next we have the veterans budget.
    2:53  First time I'm up here. My name is Adam Cer, new veteran service officer. I'll try to present the budget best I can.
    3:00  Uh before Jeff left, I think he helped April with so it seems about the same other than the uh personnel cost
    3:09  in the requested for next year is up 8,000 overall.
    3:20  We're on keeping most of the operating cost the same as far as uh the supplies and everything travel.
    3:35  It does look like everything's the same.
    3:40  Ready for a motion. I'll move that we approve
    3:47  categories two and three as presented as requested. All right. Thank you, Mr. Report.
    3:55  Second.
    3:55  All right. Thank you, Mr. Koff. Anybody have any questions?
    4:00  So, you know, we approve everything about personal services the first time through. So after we get all the numbers
    4:08  and look at things and then we address the personal services for the future. Y appreciate that. All
    4:15  right. Um no other questions or comments. All in favor please signify by saying I.
    4:20  I. Those oppos same sign. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.
    4:29  Next we have uh area plan.
    4:40  Hello gentlemen. Hello. Thank you for coming us up here. Schedule man early.
    4:46  Um overall um just bottom line just go to the bottom line is uh our budget
    4:53  request is $5,026 less than what we asked for last year.
    4:59  And our new budget line items. We increased a few line items and if we'd like to discuss any of these
    5:09  I am up for that discussion. Okay.
    5:18  Yeah. The only increase I I saw was photo blueprinting and legal was 1,500 and asking for 2500.
    5:26  Right.
    5:28  Supplies went up 500 as well. supplies is 500 and equipment 500, right? And then supplies,
    5:36  um, what we're doing the best we can to just to reduce like paper use. I've been surprised coming into county government
    5:42  how much paper we're pushing around. Um, and then this year with the health damage and stuff that we've had, we've
    5:50  got a record number of permits. So, I will be coming and asking for some movement within our budget for this year
    5:58  to increase our supply budget cuz just seriously, it's just paper. And then as we put the postings for uh putting the
    6:07  permits up, we laminate those. They last and those lamination sheets are, you know, a little expensive, I guess. And for what they are, I off the window.
    6:19  every every tenant or every house in Sweets or has one of those.
    6:23  So we we've certainly surpassed like last 10 year records for permit. So it
    6:30  just creates a lot of paper which I'm trying to reduce and be as efficient as we can.
    6:41  But then the the legal cost, um, we're going to work really hard at
    6:48  cleaning up a lot of, um, the homes and other business sites that need to be
    6:55  demoed. Don't want to ask for any more in the demo fund. Going to try to recoup as much as this from the owners as
    7:04  possible because they're the responsible people, not the citizens.
    7:09  um which may lead into some legal costs that increase. So maybe be prepared for that in 2027.
    7:20  But I don't think it's the burden of the people to take down what people own that need to be taken care of.
    7:32  say in a perfect world but yeah I'd be hoping you can reduce those cost but it will take some because what we tried in
    7:41  the last year um of asking and you know threatening of fines and so on hasn't
    7:49  really worked for the for the demoing and it's u also a little aggravating to take uh a property and then actually
    7:58  increase the value of that property by cleaning it up and and it's still theirs and the citizens pay for it. That's really pretty hard to stomach.
    8:07  What percentage of that do you normally recoup from the um it's been a pretty low amount in the
    8:16  past and has been a deal that struck at at the court level, right? And so I've only have a handful of those to go by.
    8:24  I'd like to increase that. And uh I know we have a lot in um our smaller towns
    8:31  like Vanurren and Fairmount uh Jonesboro where we will you know work out a deal with the towns, what they can pitch in,
    8:39  what the owners can pitch in or maybe a new owner can pitch in and what we can pitch in
    8:47  just to clean some really bad places up that are, you know, multiple sites.
    8:54  But when it comes down to a single place, um I don't know how much we'll be able to
    9:02  recoup. You have a to put a loan on the property versus going after them legally. So the cycle goes
    9:11  we make um notices.
    9:15  We put out your you can have these potential fines. we can go to then court
    9:22  get a lean on the property. You know, the property is devaluing over all this time. They probably bought the property
    9:30  in a lot of times that's already distressed. Um and then it goes into tax sale
    9:38  or then it goes into the commissioner stack sale in which the lean then is scrubbed clean and we still don't recoup.
    9:48  So, we've got a vicious cycle that's going on that's and our office is going pretty aggravating. We want to try to
    9:56  break these cycles. But the the tax sale though, it wouldn't be wiped off. But if it goes to the commissioner sale, it is
   10:05  same as foreclosure. It' be wiped off then, too. But if it's just sold as the tax sale, your lean would still be there. Okay. And then if that lean's
   10:14  worth more than what the property's worth, we're back in that catch point.
   10:19  Yep. There you are. So, somebody buys a property on a tax seller's a lean, then that person would have to pay the le. Mhm. Okay.
   10:26  It still hangs with it. Yeah. Mhm.
   10:33  And we're trying to prioritize these, you know, if we have I think we all know some
   10:40  buildings in Jonesboro, we have events there, there's a lot of people there, that becomes like a danger, higher
   10:47  priority than people. If it is a falling down barn that's a/4 mile off the road
   10:54  in the country, that's like on the lower end of our priorities. Yeah. So
   11:01  that's the way we're looking at it. Uh we also get a lot of help from the highway department and their off time
   11:10  and that is a huge help. So thank you very much.
   11:20  All right. The chair to entertain a motion regarding category 2, three and four. I think as presented so move Mr.
   11:30  President. All right. Thank you, Mr.
   11:32  Brinkle. Move to approve. Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Scott.
   11:38  Have a motion and a second. Any questions or comments? Hearing none. All in favor saying I. I.
   11:46  Those opposing sign.
   11:48  Motion approved. Thank you. Next, we got the UN unsafe building fund. We didn't do that one.
   12:00  which it looks like.
   12:01  But again, same amount as what was required. I don't want to change that.
   12:05  I think that's still that's what I believe it's designed for. The way I look at it is that's a revolving fund so
   12:13  that we can get something going, you know, get some dumpsters, get a building down, you know, sooner than later. But
   12:23  then within the quarter documents, the owner is to reimburse us
   12:29  for that. So it's helps us be able to get things done a little faster. I move for approval.
   12:37  All right. Category three. Yes. As presented. Thank you, Mr. McCord. If I find a way next year, you know, a good
   12:46  reason to increase it, I I might as I have a better plan. And that is over the total fund since that's the only category. So that fun be complete.
   12:55  Yes, that 55,000 is it. Do I have a second? Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Scott. We have a motion and a second
   13:02  basically to approve this fund for 2027. Hearing no other questions or comments.
   13:09  All in favor, please signify by saying I. I.
   13:12  Those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. That fund is approved. Thank you. Good time to discuss this a little bit too. There's an issue with the
   13:20  receipts that your department's going to be collecting. There's a change. The receipts that he receives are going to go into a separate I'm going to call the
   13:28  revolving fund. I guess it's a separate fund for the receipts for your department. Mhm.
   13:32  And so usually they go to general fund beginning in 27. They're going to go to a separate fund. Now I guess one question is do we need to budget that
   13:41  fund next year when when you start getting money or in 27 you know once you get when you start getting money and there'll be money in that fund. Do we
   13:48  need to budget at that time before you can use it? I'll defer to you, but I I'm not sure.
   13:56  Yeah, like the state building fund, we have to budget that before you use it.
   13:59  So, I'm assuming once you get money in that fund, then we can come to us to budget. Now, it may not be until next year this time to budget to use the 28th. That may be the case.
   14:08  Yeah. But, uh, that's what I figured. Yeah, that makes sense. Is that correct?
   14:12  I know all of our fees and fines will go into that and another part of that
   14:19  legislation was for us to look at our fee and fine schedule which I have drafted something in front of the
   14:28  APC and that the fees are supposed to be based upon
   14:34  what it costs for us to do whatever that permit is. And one of the things in our
   14:42  ordinance that we didn't have um well scoped out is a fee list, an appendix
   14:50  list of all the fees and then um documentation within the body of the ordinance where they fit together.
   14:59  Right? So it describes what the permit would be for and then in the table what the actual fee would be. And so I based
   15:07  it on, you know, took in all the considerations of our time, fully weighted time it takes to, let's say, go
   15:14  get a a roofing permit, the mileage it takes for the vehicles, um, and then the paperwork it takes for
   15:23  us to document from a permits clerk standpoint, registration, etc.
   15:27  Is it intended to uh just meet the cost of your supplies, so to speak, or does it include a snapping cost? If as I
   15:34  understand it, it's not meant for us to be self-supportive. Okay.
   15:39  The way it sounds, there are counties in which their fees are so high that they're making money.
   15:49  Mhm.
   15:49  That it's more money. They want to have a more fair um uh fee structure so that the fees are
   15:58  a little more exorbitant than what they're what it's costing. Well, and my thought would be, of course, obviously you don't want the fees to be out of whack are very high, but my thought
   16:07  would be when we do the 28 budget, it could be so what we're seeing in general fund now is expense. We budgeted in that fund instead of general fund. That's that's what I would see.
   16:16  Well, so what I was thinking looking forward was um our code enforcement
   16:22  truck is pretty old. I can't remember what the year is exactly. um it's going
   16:29  to need replaced at some point and um you know we can use that money instead of coming back and asking for a big
   16:37  large lump sum we'll have that money there of course we in a sense um know how much the fees are bringing
   16:45  in compared to what it does now but it's just it doesn't help our general fund any you're taking money out of the general fund so in a sense you can't look at it being generally as far as the
   16:54  overall what it's costing the county it's still costing us whether it be how a special fund, right?
   17:01  And if if that makes it easier to have that money already set aside for a large cost. Well, I mean, we can discuss that.
   17:08  Yeah. At the time either way. When it's time, we can discuss that. But bottom line is some of the money now will not be coming into a separate fee.
   17:17  Yeah.
   17:19  And I guess what I'm saying is there's going to be more fees described. And um I also
   17:27  so I work the fees out based on the cost what it cost us to do these different tasks and then I compare it to the
   17:36  counties around. So we are will be lower than Madison County about the same as Howard but higher than Huntington and Blackford.
   17:47  There's a lot of difference between Madison County and Huntington.
   17:50  I'm sure you guys will discuss that and work that out.
   17:52  Right. Right. just to kind of let you know where we're at. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
   17:59  Thank you. Appreciate it.
   18:01  Uh, next on the agenda, we have the uh extension at 4, council. Good evening. Good evening.
   18:11  Good evening. Um, I've not done this four times this year, so I know each county is a little bit different. Um, but I figure we'll
   18:20  address the $40,000 elephant in the room. Um, I think it's $2,000 42. There you go. Yeah. So,
   18:28  extension's going through a uh a transformation and in the past the contractual services that's essentially
   18:35  been all over the the board from county to county. What they've done and I've got a sheet I'm going to share with all of you is they are now basing it off of
   18:44  population. And then that's that's the difference in the contractual services
   18:50  for for this year. Um we got I'll give you each one of these.
   18:58  We've been paying like one and a half positions. Isn't that right, Mike? We've been budgeting one and a half positions in the past. So that's change as far as
   19:06  the basis goes. It's it's going to go the state's been split up into about 12
   19:13  regions um throughout the state and it's we've as as educators whether it's 4,
   19:20  health and human sciences, a um community development. We've already kind of done regional programming like we'll help somebody in a different
   19:28  county or somebody in a different county will come and help us or whatever the need may be. Um, so there's going to be
   19:35  a a local 4 presence continually. So there's still going to be a Grant County 4 fair, Howard County for fair. Those
   19:43  aren't going regional. But then the other educator positions like u health and human sciences a and then uh
   19:51  community development. We're going to be kind of doing a a regional programmatic approach.
   19:58  Okay. I'm I'm ready to hear your $140,000. Let me sure.
   20:07  I mean it is I'll give you the page here. I didn't know what all the uh third page the
   20:15  third page has the chart that campus has given us and please know I am the messenger from
   20:24  campus. Um, I did not set this number and I am also happy to take any feedback
   20:31  the council may have back to campus as well. Um,
   20:38  some counties are at, you know, have have increased even more for the requests that we're making this
   20:45  year. Um, some are a little less. Again, it just all is based off of population now um to try to make it more equitable across the state for each county.
   20:58  Okay. Question I have if we don't go to 140,000 what? That is what I would take back to back to campus. I'll give you an example for Miami County. Miami County
   21:07  was increasing about I think it's 67 or so this year was the ask and they said well you know can we do like a a
   21:15  three-year increment stepping up to that. I don't have the uh authority to say yes or no on that but I just take it back to campus and I'm waiting to hear
   21:24  back from them now. Okay. Like I said in the past we we were given like a schedule. This what would cost for two full-time people one and a half full
   21:31  time people and we've been doing one and a half I think. uh we haven't been approached with this kind of a other than we'd like you to do two full instead of one and a half kind of thing.
   21:40  So we haven't done it now in this case that's a 43% increase if we would go to that full amount. Yep.
   21:47  So my first reaction is I don't want to go that high. Sure.
   21:50  That's interesting. And I will let you know too that going forward um we'll have um an agonal resources educator calling Grant County their home office.
   22:01  Now, with that said, they'll still be doing regional programming whether it's here, Howard, wherever. Um, an a
   22:09  educator uh will have a contact 4 that's called Grant County home and a health and human sciences educator also calling
   22:18  Grant County their home office. Um, so just to kind of give you an update on that front. Is there a way to measure
   22:26  participation versus population? I mean to me we we may have more participation than Marian County. I mean to me it's
   22:35  not really a fair way to on that on some programs there is um you know we'll we'll collect demographic information on
   22:43  a lot of programs. We'll we'll count like how many um participants are there whether it's through registrations or
   22:50  just a demographic survey. some of them if it's say like at a school we can only collect
   22:58  so much information you know if it's like a protected class um and then you know even going with some virtual
   23:05  programming sometimes it's hard to gauge I mean just just being honest sometimes it's hard to gauge if somebody's in Blackford Howard Grant you know wherever
   23:14  wherever they may be and and also just kind of just so you know as far as where our where we are
   23:22  with our region. So there's Grant, Typton, Howard, Miami, Clayton, Carol, and Cass. So those seven
   23:31  counties make up the region that that we're in.
   23:37  And there's still nothing that says somebody from a different region can't cross regional lines to, you know, assist with programming or whatever than
   23:46  you may be. you may have mentioned this, but what does the contractual services actually pay? That is the um ser service
   23:54  based agreement that says a county is going to be receiving programming for community development uh for health and
   24:03  human sciences and then also agony natural resources. So the agony natural resources would be like your private
   24:10  applicator, certification events, uh master gardeners, um programming up along those lines. So that money goes back to produce and all those.
   24:22  Yeah, the contractual services really goes towards it's a portion of of salaries.
   24:28  And to kind of give you a little bit of background, what what we've been told from campus is that the way that
   24:36  extension was structured like the last 20 years just wasn't sustainable for the the workforce and to keep the people they have. So that's why they're going to this new this new regional model.
   24:48  You can you can see from the schedule we pay two employees actually as employees.
   24:53  What contractual is it's for new money that they use to pay the people that aren't on our payroll.
   24:57  Right. Right. Right. And for some of the programs that you're put on
   25:05  and I noticed in the little sheet you passed out 140,000 is the amount shown for our 2027 amount. But it would it
   25:13  would be minus educator mileage of 5900 looks like. Yeah. 1341 would be the net of that be because we're going to a
   25:22  regional approach. We're we're backing down the educator mileage.
   25:28  Some counties um have a line item for computers. Um those would go through campus now. Um
   25:37  some some counties have a line item for uh professional development. you know, that would go through campus now. Um, I don't think we've got one on there for
   25:45  that. Um, but some of Yeah, some of those are kind of moving back back to Purdue.
   25:58  Aaron, I was thinking the same along same lines as as you were. It doesn't seem like any increase should be attached to there's an increase in services, participation, something. Yep.
   26:08  I mean, coming up with a random tiered chart just seems like a way to get extra money.
   26:13  Yeah. And what's what's going to happen what's going to happen is that as we proceed with this transformation is that
   26:21  the regional educators like the Purdue paid employees will be doing assessments to kind of gather what does a a county
   26:30  need. um like the the last time I was here at the county council meeting um the drug um the update for the substance
   26:39  abuse issue. Um on the health and human sciences side of things, we have some programs that we could bring to the
   26:46  county that would help combat that. Um on the other side, if we find out that there's not a big need for say
   26:55  um I don't know, I'm just going to I'm going to choose one. say Captain Cash, which is a youth-based financial resource program. I mean, all the
   27:03  schools love it, but just use that as an excuse. If we find that there's not enough for that, we would have to we would do more of what's what's being requested.
   27:17  And again, the best thing I can do is take any feedback you have and positive, negative, negative, back
   27:24  to back to campus. So as a farmer I I understand some of this because I have private license as well. So I know that
   27:32  they're also training. So a lot of this stuff is obviously geared towards farmers.
   27:38  I I'm with these guys. I don't have that number. But this I do see where some of this costes cuz I go to some of these classes.
   27:47  Sure.
   27:50  I guess if you're going to fall back, you wouldn't get rightly. So,
   27:57  but I guess it's a 40% increase, which is quite substantial.
   28:01  Yeah. And again, I don't understand that part of it, which none of us do apparently. So, I mean, it sounds like there's other programs that Purdue offers that I wasn't at least aware of.
   28:12  Yeah. To me, it would seem like let's sit down and and and figure out those programs of all we fit for Grant County
   28:18  first and then figure out the dollar, you know, and and that's up to that's part of what I hope would happen is whether it's the educators doing an
   28:27  assessment of what's needed. And a lot of times that will occur with um community members um whether it's somebody like the the board of health,
   28:36  you know, on the health side or um you know, farmers on the a side, you know, to figure out what's really needed um in
   28:45  a in a county, you know, and we don't know what the response we'll get if we give them something less than that. What what the
   28:52  response is going to be just for a grand maybe. I don't know.
   28:58  I mean, my my first inclination is to give them a 6% bump over last year, which is our growth factor piece and see what happens. But, I mean, I don't I
   29:07  don't want to answer. What's that number?
   29:10  Uh, 136 would be Okay, that's that's funny. I I was just using a number of 5,000. So, it's about
   29:17  there. I mean, in that range, but ironic. I I was thinking the same thing you were. I mean we're we're giving Yeah, that's a 60% growth. We're getting
   29:26  right on paper. Exactly. Not not net, but we're getting right.
   29:32  But uh so as of right now, we don't know what Purdue is going to
   29:37  say. I mean, I do not kind of mean as a farmer, I don't want them to cut our services, you know, and I also
   29:46  understand we're dealing with real numbers here. Yeah, I want them to assume we're going to give another $40,000 just cuz they're asking for the
   29:54  it be nice if they give a little clarification. I guess the advanced certification.
   30:02  Yeah, I'll bet there's a lot of this that I don't understand because I'm not a farmer and I rely on you and Frank, Randy, and you know, those who are farmers in in this in this community to
   30:11  tell me if it's I just know it cost money to put on the programs that they put on. You know, I don't know how much it costs. Yeah, he was saying that uh it's not sustainable
   30:19  the way it's been staffed and funded, how the funding has affected staffing in the past, but and we don't know if the state reduced what they're giving
   30:27  universities Purdue in this case to fund that. I mean, I don't know.
   30:30  Yeah. And for for like the last 20 years or so, state and federal has been completely flat. Well, with the exception of the last couple years when
   30:37  there was actually, I think, a 5% cut, I believe.
   30:42  No, I was in my kids's colleagues. They told me as the financial aid office, we don't negotiate.
   30:48  But we don't we just dropped ours off yesterday.
   30:51  Yeah. So, I don't know to the the board's point here. It's kind of like, well, maybe maybe we throw something out, but if they don't negotiate, then we're left.
   31:00  We have a choice. Maybe we're going to pay what they want or discontin.
   31:04  You're saying you're not the middleman to negotiate. That's what you're saying.
   31:07  Oh, I I'm definitely the middleman, but not the one.
   31:12  That's exactly what it is. That's the way you negotiate. You don't you don't have the whole power out, right?
   31:20  I guess the question is, do we want to um not approve category 3 right now or do we want to approve category 3 with that 6% increase as Jim has suggested, which would be 103607.
   31:32  I just make an even 1036 just or 1037 maybe just to make round numbers. All right.
   31:40  Are you getting similar feedback from the other counties?
   31:44  Um, honestly, a lot of like it's all all across the board as far as whether a county's going up, how much they're
   31:50  going up. Um, Miami County, um, it was about 7576 grand, I believe, was their increase.
   31:58  And then like I like like I said they they proposed you know can we do I forget what it was like the exact number
   32:05  like 25 or 26 a year for three years to kind of step up to that and then so that's what I took back to campus and I
   32:13  haven't you know that was just a maybe a week ago. I forget when I did immediate reaction. No immediate reaction.
   32:21  Any other responses on the the tiered population chart from other counties?
   32:27  Not necessarily. I mean, I'll say with with my concern with some of them. So, I, you know, cover Typing County.
   32:34  Tipping County the last couple years has been 15,000, like just over um and uh my
   32:41  concern was, you know, if if if you if you go online or wherever like the census, wherever to find those numbers.
   32:50  We we were applying for a grant years ago in Tent County. One place said 150 something and the other was like 149
   32:59  and so it was right on the edge and we needed the 15,000 on the for the purpose of that grant. So,
   33:08  you know, I haven't heard too much feedback and again I've got I've got 24 counties that I'm kind of going with right now. So So how does that work?
   33:16  You're in district four, but you're there's seven counties there, but technically you're saying you're way over four. Yes, there is another uh so my town is regional operations leader.
   33:26  There's one more of of me essentially who has Carol Clinton and Cass counties.
   33:31  Yep. So there's two of us in in region 4. Okay. So So just kind of leading with
   33:38  what you said to do, but you're uh you divide your 42 by 3, you're looking at about 14,000 increase per year. per year
   33:47  per year. I don't know whether we can see that yet obviously we could I mean it's what this volume wants to do just throwing it out there is a
   33:55  thing that's an example is doing well could change in 3 years too for Purdue if you're based on population ours is
   34:03  going the wrong way and uh we still fall in the same category we're going to be that way we're not below the next one
   34:09  category Es less than at least we hope not that's the other thing too your your overhead's fixed.
   34:18  Regardless if your population is 60,000 or 15,000, you're still kind of giving some basic services to everyone. So, I
   34:26  feel like the higher population counties are paying for the lower population counties. Am I looking at that right?
   34:34  Potentially, cuz I mean I I'll give you this example. So, Typing County, uh just over 15,000
   34:41  um but it's 98 95 98% um farmland. So they may have a bigger
   34:49  need for the a services than say uh Howard County. Um and that's just where
   34:57  like it it where the assessments have to come into play to figure out why the county was really really needed. Uh like
   35:05  there's you know like a master gardener program on on the a side. A lot of the rural counties have a pretty good master gardener program, but then if you go
   35:14  down to like, you know, around the indie area, they might have a little bit for urban a, but you know, other than that, it's just not not needed as much.
   35:30  I didn't mean to take up all the all the time. And I didn't realize there was a change in the bases. I knew the number was big, but usually it's just because
   35:38  more full-time stuff talking about I didn't realize this was a J.
   35:42  That's a big and I think I may have tried to email the last two documents.
   35:54  I I I believe I did, but don't quote me on that. I might be wrong.
   36:08  If we did Jim suggestion, category 3 would deduct 140 and add 103700, which I
   36:16  believe puts category 3 at a total of 11425. Correct. That's what I had. Okay.
   36:24  So, I don't know if we want to do that or hold off on category 3 right now.
   36:27  Yeah. And I am assuming even if we hold off, we wouldn't have the answer from Purdue by the time we address this question. I'm guessing give give me a date that I can give.
   36:39  We're going to adopt our budget third Wednesday in October. Third Wednesday in October.
   36:43  But we really need to make decisions by before October final decision time for getting things ready for that adoption.
   36:53  Well, I'm just going to write down. We can always pull that line out and save it for action later if we chose it out to it later if you want to.
   37:03  Right.
   37:03  Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can just right at this point through category three with that line excluded. Then when it comes to our final decision and budget
   37:12  adoption time, we can include whatever number we feel like we want to put in at that point. All right.
   37:18  And that gives him a chance to get some feedback. And and the reason I asked for a date is so I can come out a couple days before that.
   37:27  Yeah. Couple weeks before that first Wednesday in October kind of like deadline date September then.
   37:34  Yeah. Do you have any materials that discusses all the programs that is offered by?
   37:42  Yes and no because and and I say that just because there's like I was surprised when I started with extension
   37:49  just while we did. So my background is health and human sciences. So I'll use that as an example. So within health and
   37:56  human sciences, we've got financial resource management, health and nutrition.
   38:04  See, I'm going to um you you've got family health and then mental health all in there. So within each one of these
   38:13  pro programmatic areas, there's you know programs embedded in there. So the a side of course part for uh
   38:21  pesticide applicators to be certified master gardeners um a lot of times there'll be a partnership with farm
   38:28  bureau um where it might be like an a day where um inner city kids in fact I mean the office did one I don't think it
   38:36  was a partnership with farm bureau but anyways uh inner city kids will be able to come out and it might be the first time they see a tractor a horse a cow
   38:45  pig whatever uh community de development They've got programs for developing
   38:51  boards um for employers to kind of see where they need to improve. It's called becoming the employer of choice. Um and
   38:59  then of course 4 it's it's not just fair. It's it's really 4 and youth development. So,
   39:06  programs that develop you because I mean a lot of times if if you talk to an employer, they'll look at if they see 4,
   39:14  FFA or band on a on a resume, um they'll kind of give those a little
   39:20  bit of a bump. Um so, um but yeah, I mean I can get you and and also of course, you know, on on the website
   39:28  there's all sorts of and and I mean I'll say this, they've only got a small handful of programs on the website. um programs to help with diabetes, mental
   39:37  health, um urban egg, um drones, AI,
   39:45  it's all all across the board, right? I think um I might have this then
   39:53  um if we the chair would entertain a motion with this. Category 2 supplies 5700.
   40:01  Um, category 3 would be 10,725 excluding contractual services, uh, which is account 30700 and then category 4 for $500.
   40:14  I think that's what we're approval of that at this point. All right. Thank you, Mr. McCord. Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Scott.
   40:23  Any other questions or comments? And we'll be looking to hear back from from you then. And yes, that'd be that'd
   40:31  be great. All right, no other questions or comments. Uh, all in favor, please signify by saying I. I go the same sign.
   40:39  Motion carries. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right.
   40:45  Remember that original flag in there.
   40:56  All right. Next on our agenda is uh sheriff got a little behind there.
   41:06  Mr. President, members of council, I think the only three increases that we had for this budget was
   41:15  two days. Now we're going to take off my glasses. So K9 supplies, medical and polygraph testing. I'll take any questions you may have.
   41:28  Okay. Also maintenance agreement sets up to maintenance double 20,000 to 40,000.
   41:37  Yes. Yes.
   41:47  Surprise. Have you added how many dogs do we have?
   41:50  We have six dogs right now. Uh cost of food is going up. Uh just about everything's gone up. I'm anticipating
   41:59  we'll probably return some of it back at the end of the year. Uh but we just want to have it just in case uh it's needed.
   42:06  I mean, you just never know right now how high those prices are going to go.
   42:10  Uh so we just want to try to give you a true budget uh for that line item.
   42:16  Also, the medical went up 4% uh our population, and that's something that we really going to have to look at
   42:23  as a county. Um we actually have the least expensive
   42:30  um medical provider that we we've um interviewed others and they were all closer to a million dollars or $800,000
   42:38  to a million dollars. So quality QCC's u brought in the lowest rate. But we also look at the incidentals that we have and
   42:47  individuals that have to go to the um to the hospital. Uh and then we have to
   42:55  pay for some medication. Uh we had an individual that we just got medically o that we had to pay $6,000 for just one
   43:03  shot. Uh so we try to get them out as quickly as we can.
   43:09  I can tell you that uh QCC does a real good job at scrubbing our bills.
   43:16  Uh total medical bills that we received so far this year is 218,190.
   43:23  Total invoice to the county was 48,72752.
   43:28  So they do a good job at scrubbing those bills. In case you're not familiar with what I'm talking about, we'll get a bill, let's say, for $6,000 from the
   43:35  hospital. they go through it and they negotiate with the with the provider and they're able to get it down uh to a
   43:42  reasonable amount. So, they do a good job at that. Now, our main issue is we have a very sickly population
   43:50  and u so that's why that's gone up. The polygraph testing is going up that they
   43:56  charge us $300 per polygraph. Um anybody that gets hired gets a polygraph test.
   44:03  Uh if we're looking at doing some something in the future with more detention staff, obviously that would have to we have to polygraph them before we can get them hired.
   44:12  We pay for that somewhere else. That that's the first time that account shown up there. It's been everything they paid someplace else prior to this.
   44:18  Yes. Yes. Has been paid. We used to use the state police to do it and we paid them. Uh where did we paid them from? It didn't show up in our line item.
   44:27  Do you remember what budget that was? Commentary. Okay. paper commissary. Okay.
   44:35  And what we've done with that is uh we switched over to a local guy to do it here in Marian. We can get them done a
   44:43  lot quicker. Now they don't charge they only charge us for employment polygraphs. They don't charge us for criminal polygraphs. So we have a crime
   44:50  that took place, say homicide, and we're going to give someone a polygraph for that. They do those for free.
   44:57  They only are so they only do our employment.
   45:00  So why would we not continue paying up commissary?
   45:04  Our commissary budget's actually gone down with the FCC ruling. We've lost about 12 to $13,000 per month in our
   45:11  commissary budget. Uh FCC ruled that uh the companies that do our phones and tablets can only charge a certain
   45:18  percent. So we've actually lost quite a bit of funding for that.
   45:33  I'm going to go back to medical just a little bit. Uh the increase from the 26 budget to the 27 budget is about 25%
   45:42  actually 25% increase. Now I will say this. It looks like was actually spent in 25 on here. What you're asking for is
   45:50  in the ballparks. I mean but that's a huge increase from budget prior.
   45:56  I know some of you guys like trueer budgets. I'm like realistic.
   46:00  I don't mind coming back if need be. I can say at the next council meeting uh we're going to come with a request uh to
   46:08  transfer money into that medical budget to make sure we have enough. It'll be a transfer, not an appropriation. Um not additional not additional appropriation.
   46:18  We'll be transferring it. So I mean one of our goals is to adopt a realistic budget. So I mean obviously they don't have to be artificially low
   46:25  doesn't make any sense either but it is a 25% jump on the budget.
   46:29  Uh that could change from year to year depending on how many people have to go to the hospital how many uh people that
   46:37  we have that are critically ill that require medication that's very costly.
   46:42  Now we when we do get those we do try to get with the courts to try to get them either home detention. who've been successful in doing that with people
   46:49  with cancer uh with people with some um major issues with addiction. Like we had one individual that was uh had addiction
   46:58  with alcohol uh and hers was so we ended up having to uh we were able to get her on home detention because we're spending a lot of money on medication for her.
   47:08  And once we do that and get them on home detention, then obviously they're responsible to pay. Now, one thing that uh QCC have been able to do with some of
   47:17  our medical uh issues is and it's kind of hit and miss with them. Sometimes they're able to get Medicaid to pay for
   47:24  it. Sometimes they're not. Uh Medicare or Medicare always get their team mixed up, but sometimes they're able to get them. We had a guy that had to have a
   47:31  surgery. They were able to get to pay for that. But it doesn't always work.
   47:35  And if they're in our custody, and I can tell you it's it's only going to get worse for us or could get worse
   47:42  for us. We had an individual that we were trying to put on the new program that didn't want to go on it because he
   47:49  wanted his teeth fixed. So, um he was refusing to go on the new home detention program because he wanted dental work
   47:58  done on his teeth. Uh then we've also had in fact we've had two people like that so far. So I what I think's happening is is that a choice they can make? I mean,
   48:06  no, we we end up putting on that property.
   48:09  But you are see we are seeing more of that where someone knows that the county is responsible for their medical bills and uh you know these are some of them
   48:18  are people that don't go to the doctor regularly but they come in here uh they get taken care of pretty good and we were mandated by the state to do that.
   48:26  So we're trying to get dental there are some things that are elected and some things are required. So I mean this because he has some dental thoughts and he actually gets those. So we're we're really trying
   48:35  to get with our state representative and maybe look at that at the legislative side. Um because I'm telling medical is is an issue big issue.
   48:44  How much of this total is uh I'll say a fixed cost of we have a contract that is what's the QCC QCC is part of that a contractual amount
   48:53  and the rest of it is yes 453,33842. How much is it? 453 33842.
   49:01  That's their contract. So that amount is set. We have to pay in addition to that. Okay.
   49:08  It's all the we have to call an ambulance to come look at someone. Pay $6,000 for a shot.
   49:17  But that 4538 is you're saying it's in medical and hospital. It's not in contractual services.
   49:24  That's that 453 goes to QCC. They do our nursing staff. They do the all. But what line items in it? Is that contractual services line or medical hospital line?
   49:33  It's in the medical. That's in the medical.
   49:36  Okay. So, the majority of it is actually that contract. Majority of it. Yeah.
   49:41  What's What else is in that contractual services line? 760,000. Food.
   49:50  Yes. That's our I didn't see food any place. That's our food vendor.
   49:54  That's our food. The 760 is our food vendor. We're actually saving quite a bit of money this year from them because we did switch vendors, try to find a
   50:02  vendor that was less expensive. That's actually what we're going to take some of that money from that account to put into medical this year. And we're hoping
   50:09  we get at least one more year from our food services to where we can get them.
   50:13  You know how that goes. They start you out at a good rate. Kind of like, you know, Verizon or or Direct TV start out at a good rate, but by the time you're
   50:20  done, you're right back up there. So, we're always we're always talking to vendors and uh we're always there to go where we can get the best bang for our
   50:28  buck. So, if that gets too high for us, we don't have any problems with changing stuff. Talk to us about your maintenance agreement going from 20,000 to 40,000.
   50:38  A lot of that has to do with our um maintenance agreements for computer things, electronics. Um I don't have
   50:46  this the specific ones. I can get those to you, but those prices have gone up.
   50:50  Some of them um you know like I'll give you an example are um I record system which we use to record where we're
   50:59  mandated by the the federal government to record any felony interview. Um that's what that's going through. It's nothing new. It's a new program.
   51:08  It's just not sustaining what we already have.
   51:10  Sustaining what we have. And I tell you, I record it's just great to have them um because there's times people will leave the recorder on and it goes recording
   51:18  for 12 hours was this last one. So, and when it does that takes we have to use them to go back to get other interviews.
   51:27  So, uh and we're not going to use them.
   51:30  Other agencies will come here and interview people. Sometimes I have a habit of leaving them on. So, so they're definitely important for us to have
   51:38  those types of main agreements. Same with our Motorola car radios and things of that nature.
   51:49  Another question I guess I have it's on the uh line item for out of county inmate housing. I see we're using 1.1
   51:57  million in the request thing as we have 26s.
   52:00  Since we have that pre-trial detention program, we're expecting that to hopefully be less.
   52:06  Yeah, we're hoping that we don't use it all. Should we could we lower this one or not?
   52:10  Well, I would until it gets going, I think it probably best to leave it as is and we don't use it and just come back.
   52:17  I think right now we have I think 19 was the last number I had.
   52:21  Yeah, we have uh I think 20 was 300 next week.
   52:24  Okay. And then I think we have one that's already been violated from it.
   52:28  So, one that's already coming back to us cuz they violated the And I mean, we can lower it if you like and I can just come back for more. want to be read where
   52:36  possible is I just I just would like to see that program get started and um and be up and running for a little bit before we do that.
   52:42  How many are you on the average having out of county now?
   52:46  Right now we're having about 50 55 to 58 uh cuz we're trying to stay within our budget that we currently have. Um and
   52:54  our numbers have been in the 340s 320s for these last few months. Uh so we can keep it at that. You have to remember
   53:02  our our population here fluctuates because when we bring them back then we have to count them as ours and we're always bringing people back and we're not
   53:11  replacing them because they're coming here. They're going to court and then they're going to go back to wherever you know they came from. So it's not like we have an open bid in in one of the other
   53:18  counties and we're sending someone to replace them. We normally wait till the court time is up and then send them back. But right now I believe today I
   53:25  think we have 58. Our cost per day out of county is how much right now? $40. That's what I was thinking. Okay.
   53:33  55 * 40 * 365 is 83,000. Okay. So, there's some play there. Okay.
   53:42  Sorry to bounce you around. Share. Back to contractual services. Is that all food service? Yes.
   53:48  And that So, right right now you're on pace at to be at 529125 by end of year, but are some of those
   53:56  bills paid quarterly? Is that amount through May 31st an actual amount or that those are paid monthly?
   54:03  Weekly, weekly per per plate. So the more inmates you have, the less you pay per
   54:10  plate. So um what happens with with that is or what happened with that is we were negotiating with newer or with other
   54:19  companies during budget time and so we budgeted I think a similar amount maybe a little bit more for this year. Uh but this
   54:28  company this actually came in a lot lower than the other three companies that we uh interviewed or talked to. Uh
   54:34  so we went with them. Um and and when you're talking about these contractual these companies is we contract with them
   54:43  for 3 years. You have a clause where you can get out of it, but you have to give them some of them are 30 days, some of them are 90 days. Okay.
   54:50  Um but but it looks like you're significantly lower than what you um expended in 25,
   54:58  right? And that's because there was a change in companies. So Okay.
   55:02  But then but but then we're higher on the request budget. So, is there an opportunity for some savings there since we're only on pace to be at 529? I know.
   55:12  Okay. I see what you're saying. I mean, there could be there could be. We just got to see where we're going to be with our inmate population. Uh cuz the lower
   55:21  they're feed the lower amount of our numbers you're feeding, the higher that plate cost goes. Gotcha.
   55:27  So, we just decided to leave it the same for this year to see are there thresholds on that? And they like every 50 inmates, they adjust the price. is a play by plane.
   55:36  No, it's certain amount. So many so many inmates then you get a reduction.
   55:41  So, but there is a big possibility that we could save money again there this year.
   55:49  But like I said earlier, that was our first year deal. So, I'm anticipating prices are going to start going up a little bit at a time. Now, we just did
   55:58  give them our commissary business. So, kind of holding them to keep those prices down. So
   56:28  coming Do you anticipate uh the daily rate for
   56:35  out of county to go up at all? You had any conversation or you think about that?
   56:39  No, normally the sheriffs won't won't raise that cuz they're just doing a favor to another sheriff cuz you never know when they're going to need a favor from us. So that's pretty much the the
   56:48  standard price. I know we're looking at uh switching over uh more of our inmates to W bash um instead of Typton just
   56:58  because everything is our other location is up street and we think it'll make our our rounds a lot easier for our
   57:05  transport guys. I'm going to suggest a change on the out of county just I'm going be a little optimistic I hope if
   57:13  you take if we make it one million it's only $100,000 I guess in the total but if you make it a million dollar even that's that's enough to accommodate 68
   57:22  prisoners per day at $40 a day and what we're doing now hopefully that's high enough and we're hoping that program gets going
   57:30  and gets stable and I mean I think that's reasonable to so we got a million that saves 100,000 off
   57:38  As Eron is saying, possibly I don't I'm not really necessarily as strong in thinking about reducing that contractual service amount. We could maybe shave a few bucks off that. Not not a whole lot.
   57:49  The other thing too is with the medical hospital, if you take what's expensive,
   57:58  I probably need to keep that at least because you can see we spent 627 last year. So the 630 is probably a a fair number. Probably not going to be less than that.
   58:07  I agree.
   58:08  The the food I I probably wouldn't go below the 725 range if we changed it, but just to leave us some room there just in case.
   58:23  Like I said, hopefully this home detention program will get some of our more sicklier inmates to the hopefully can save us some money on the medical side. So we need to make a new for that.
   58:37  This is 26.
   58:50  If we shaved the food contract services down to 725 you from 760 down to 725 and the out of
   58:59  county inmate from 1 million1 down to million even you make that category 2,53850.
   59:12  So that saves 135,000 off that.
   59:19  just leaving the other items as they are.
   59:25  And you may have noticed also that we zeroed out the dehome contractual services that's actually going to be moved I believe to the probation judge
   59:34  judge is we'll get to that section later
   59:47  for equipment and bulletproof vest.
   59:52  You buy those for the Yes. We're mandated to provide them to the they leave us. Do they take it with them?
   59:58  No. And we reuse them when we can. Those are made specifically for their body type. So, we can find an offspot. We
 1:00:07  just have one of our guys that went left. I don't know if I'll be able to find someone to to put his on very very
 1:00:14  small. The other thing I could say is maybe a change I would consider is that K9 supplies. Do we need to double that
 1:00:20  to 20,000 from 10 to 20? That's not going to cut a bunch. Uh I'm not saying you don't won't necessarily use it, but
 1:00:28  it just seems like that's a reach at this point. Just thinking about it.
 1:00:32  I'm good with whatever you guys decide on that. Um you know, if I have to if we have to come back for more, we will or we'll get from from another part.
 1:00:39  If we shave it down to the 15 number, that's 5,000 we cut off there.
 1:00:47  I still want to be realistic. Obviously, I don't want to be I think that definitely is is realistic with that.
 1:01:03  Any more things you want to talk? I'm ready for a motion for unless there's more things you want to talk about. Ready for a motion?
 1:01:11  And I'm going to all move that we approve the sheriff's budget general fund under supplies. It'll be 494,500
 1:01:20  which is reducing K9 supplies down to 15,000.
 1:01:24  I would approve other services and charges at a total of 2,53850
 1:01:31  and that's reducing contractual services down to 725,000 and reducing out of county inmate housing down to 1 million.
 1:01:41  And then also I would approve category 4 35,000 as request. Did you say I'm sorry? Did you say anything about maintenance agreement?
 1:01:51  Well, I left it at the for 20. I left it at 40,000. I didn't change it. Yeah, we didn't do anything new. I said I don't like the increase, but there's nothing
 1:01:59  new in there. sounded like so I'm going to leave that with stand based on maintain what we have
 1:02:07  report we have a second to that motion second all right Mr. Hello.
 1:02:14  Any more questions or comments for the sheriff?
 1:02:19  Not all in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those same sign. Motion carries.
 1:02:28  Next, uh we do have the detention center.
 1:02:41  I didn't I didn't say this, but we'll talk about this later when we actually approve later. But want to mention under the personnel area pension is in there.
 1:02:50  You'll see the number is 1,39,661 which is a bump up of 8.7%.
 1:02:57  But that is the number we normally would approve. The blue sheet in your packet shows the different levels of covering
 1:03:04  that pension cost and that is the recommended line number which we normally do approve. So just the thought for future when we approve all that
 1:03:13  category that number that we normally approve that's increased obviously from last year. Okay. Just want to mention that.
 1:03:34  Next we have a general fund detention center.
 1:03:44  We request any any addition to that budget
 1:03:56  was the only thing I had gotten the I guess I'm getting mixed messages because on the one hand when I sat down at a negotiating table this was referenced as
 1:04:05  being in our budget and and this is a zero request though that you've got for 2027. He was a zero 2026.
 1:04:17  It was adopted as 1.9 million.
 1:04:22  Yeah. That was added to our budget one year that we didn't request, but it's been it was for and it's still in in I think
 1:04:31  a general fund somewhere if I remember correctly. But when that 1.1 was our budget, we did not request it at that
 1:04:38  time. Um, and it was, from what I understand, it was requested for a possible staffing of a dehome
 1:04:48  doing that over there. Um, and then in 2026, it was zeroed out and we didn't
 1:04:55  request anything for it this year. It had been in there previously, 2026 and 2025, right?
 1:05:02  Yeah. Okay. And I think I told you in that email that in 23 and 24 there was nothing except for the contractual and
 1:05:10  then in 25 and 26 we added all that back in and then I was told this year to zero it back out.
 1:05:19  That was by the sheriff then?
 1:05:21  No, I went by his budget but it was by the commissioner.
 1:05:31  And just so everybody knows if it'd be difficult to add that back in now at this stage because of advertising limits
 1:05:38  and those kind of things. But if if something happens that you end up we do some decision between the sheriffs and
 1:05:46  the commissioners and us. We want to do something with staffing in that area. It can be added as an additional appropriation when we're in that year.
 1:05:54  Long as we have an appropriated cash to do that. just procedurally just so you know that that's something that still can be done.
 1:06:04  It just wouldn't happen during this budget process. It'd be it'd be effort one. Okay. So, I'm confused cuz I thought you started off
 1:06:12  and said that you had requested this to be zeroed out and you just said that the commissioners Well, that was for 2026 cuz what happened is I I I don't know
 1:06:20  who put it in our budget, but it was put in our budget. We noticed it and I said, "Well, we're not using that money for anything." So, it was zeroed out. Well,
 1:06:28  our sheet, it says the 2026 adopted budget total was $1,974,316.
 1:06:36  So, we appropriated and we approved a budget for for this year for the for the detention center.
 1:06:44  That's correct. It was supplied to me by the commissioner Shane to add it back in
 1:06:52  and then this year it was zeroed back out by So during budget hearings last year when we were preparing for 2026
 1:06:59  we voted on it to be zero and then it was okay. That's what I'm saying. We approved it.
 1:07:05  Yes, you approved it she not the sheriff.
 1:07:09  Yeah, we've never requested that money in the budget. That was requested by the commissioner's office. It's not my us.
 1:07:16  So, we approve it with what the commissioners had put into it is what we did last year at this time. And this year, neither the sheriff or the commissioners put it in there. So, it's
 1:07:24  not for us to approve it right now cuz it's not there.
 1:07:31  Isn't that unusual that a commissioner would make a decision with council then it was the commissioner? I guess depends on. So,
 1:07:39  I mean this budget falls under the sheriff, not the commissioner's office.
 1:07:42  That's correct. Well, it's been on there without me asking for it when it was unfortunately. So, it it all do, right?
 1:07:48  Superior court, too. And then it falls down on you from jail detention. And I mean, it's been that way for for years that sheriff has had oversee detention center on behalf of Superior Court.
 1:07:59  I'm always surprised when I see it in my budget.
 1:08:05  I guess I'm just going back trying to understand why a commissioner made the decision to zero it out. Well, I I think it's probably because of the the jail
 1:08:13  project, the anticipation of the cost of the jail projects or whatever they were going to do at the detention center, whatever may happen, they wanted that in our budget as a safety net.
 1:08:26  I remember when we put it back in, it was a discussion just like sheriff just said, is the detention center ever opened back up, we had the salaries in place to be able to be able to implement
 1:08:34  that. So, it's changed from that from that original intention now to we're not having a jail project. So, I'm going to just go ahead and voluntarily pull out that that budget.
 1:08:46  We don't as a council don't normally initiate that. That comes to us from another department. In this case, it's been commissioner or sheriff. Whether or not sheriff agreed or not, but I mean
 1:08:54  that it came to us in whatever manner it should be. Sheriff and I'm not going to disagree.
 1:08:59  I'm just saying that it got to us from someone and we left at that point. And this time it's come to us at zero.
 1:09:15  It's not good. All right. Again, like I said, there there's there's a method to getting that back whatever you want to
 1:09:22  at some point. Just keep in mind when you look at your operating balance, make sure you keep enough to do that if you choose to at some point. Okay?
 1:09:31  So I mean it's not like it's gone in the future. It's long as you have operating balance to handle you can still do this.
 1:09:43  Yes, sir. So I'll make a motion that we approve category 2 and category 3 for the $200,9%.
 1:09:51  You don't want to do that. That's an expenditure. That's there's nothing requested the far right hand column. Oh, I'm sorry.
 1:10:00  Yeah. So, I'll change that. The motion will be for zero.
 1:10:08  Yeah. It may just be for zero for the entire budget.
 1:10:12  Yeah. Right now, zero. You really don't need to do anything you don't want.
 1:10:15  Then, we can do it as zeros, but there's nothing to adopt at this point. Unless you just want to say I want to have it at zero.
 1:10:22  If there's no need to then we just move on, right?
 1:10:26  As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to approve at this point. All right. I mean, I think we probably could if you wanted to actually I'll prove this at
 1:10:33  zero, but it's already there at zero, so there's nothing to really All right.
 1:10:40  You can Yeah, you can. All right.
 1:10:48  All right.
 1:10:51  Any other questions or comments regarding this? I guess uh if not all in favor signify by saying I I and those opposed.
 1:11:02  All right. Motion carries for that budget approved at zero.
 1:11:08  Next we have the work crew share work crew fund.
 1:11:14  Yeah. I think the majority of that's probably part of the negotiation the ongoing negotiations for salaries.
 1:11:22  Yep. It's all personal.
 1:11:31  Sheriff, we didn't ask him if he wanted to talk about his personal request. So, did you want to tell us about your personal request at this point or not?
 1:11:37  Our farmer pay increase. We're definitely I mean, we're trying, we know, we can't keep up with the Joneses, but we definitely want to try to to uh
 1:11:46  to to make the gap between our agency and other agencies smaller. uh you know, knowing that we're never maybe going to
 1:11:54  be able to reach that level that that some of these other agencies have, but uh hopefully you guys will look at that and uh shrink that gap a little bit to
 1:12:02  make it a little bit easier for us to to uh retain a lot of good deputy. We just lost two um both of them for pay and um
 1:12:12  hopefully they'll they'll be the only two. We're controlling what we can control. Culture, equipment, training, trying to make great culture for people
 1:12:20  to work, getting the best equipment we can afford. Obviously, we don't have Hamilton County money. Uh but, uh, we do the best we can with that. So, any help
 1:12:29  you guys can give us with with shrinking that gap, we definitely would be appreciated.
 1:12:33  Have you been able to replace vacancies pretty well? I mean, yeah, for for the road we do with with the jail, it's hard for us to stay at
 1:12:40  100%. that we're normally right around 95 96% staffing. Um, and that would really help out. Obviously, we could get
 1:12:48  that pay up, help uh maybe draw people more to the jail side. Um, the road is normally not that difficult because we
 1:12:57  have jailers that eventually want to become deputies. So, it's kind like we have our own farm team out there. So,
 1:13:04  there anything you guys can do, we would definitely appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it.
 1:13:10  Uh we do have a break noted in here which we're past that time. I don't know if anybody needs to take a break or
 1:13:19  otherwise we'll just keep rolling forward. All right. Anybody else need break?
 1:13:27  All right. I guess we'll keep rolling then hearing silence. Um move to probation.
 1:13:39  Good evening. Good evening.
 1:13:45  General budget. So, yes, you do. You got double.
 1:13:50  I'll let you decide which one you want to start with.
 1:13:53  Uh but we've got general fund uh probation uh
 1:14:00  which doesn't have a ton in it. Now, this one though, you you do have 600,000 coming to it. And I think that is for
 1:14:08  the Is that for the county housing of juveniles? Yeah. So, uh the sheriff uh reduced his budget by that amount and we
 1:14:16  increased our budget by that amount. Um we just used the figures from previous years. Um
 1:14:23  our hope is that it's not that much. Um but you just never know. Um and so uh this year we've been able to move to
 1:14:31  contract with for five beds uh which will be helpful. Uh but we don't always stay within those five beds. Um last
 1:14:40  week we were above those and we just don't have any control over some of those um incidences. So um we just kept it the same as years past.
 1:14:55  It depends. Each a um detention center charges what they want. Um some of them
 1:15:01  are up to $300 a day. Um so private or
 1:15:09  uh well they would be run by uh counties
 1:15:17  on average or something like that.
 1:15:23  Um yes. So it could be um but most of them are um like there's ACJC that we use up in Allen County.
 1:15:33  Um, does Kenzie still play Howard County? What's Howard County's now? Kinsey. Still Kenzie.
 1:15:39  Yeah. Um, are they private?
 1:15:42  I don't know. I don't know if they're private or not. Um, sometimes they're a little more challenging to get into
 1:15:48  because of capacity issues. Um so um
 1:15:56  so so um we've got some that are um significant in terms of expense. Some
 1:16:04  of them do more programming um and so uh they kind of choose what they want to
 1:16:11  fill people and they know that they've kind of got the corner because most places don't have a detention center anymore. How many do we have any detention right now?
 1:16:20  Great question. I would say uh last week when we looked it was about um was around nine.
 1:16:27  Um so like that's an average number.
 1:16:30  Um so we tried to figure out the average um you know cuz it you know it kind of comes in waves. Um and so we tried to
 1:16:38  figure out the average close to a little over five um for the the year you know.
 1:16:44  Um but uh you have some where you're going to be at 12 and some that you're going to be at 4:00. Um but um we have
 1:16:53  some that are already waved, so we don't have a choice. Um and then um as soon as those um are able to move out of the
 1:17:02  system, we move them. And then also we have some that um need placement um for
 1:17:08  um other issues and um we work to get those placements, we move them as well.
 1:17:13  So I know those were two big issues in the past couple of weeks that we were working on.
 1:17:19  So that's why they're outside the norm.
 1:17:23  Just looking at we've been spending the last 2 3 years, it's probably reasonable amount to have the 600,00 if if this
 1:17:30  200,980 that was spent through May 31st that represents a true monthly scenario.
 1:17:36  482,000 to be the yearly equivalent to that. the the 600,000 mission we've been to, it's probably reasonable to have in there, I guess.
 1:17:44  So, we've been kind of talking a little bit with the sheriff about his current budget cuz this year's through the rest of this year's um under his budget. Um
 1:17:53  and um we were trying to calculate we're going to be pretty close to 600,000 this year.
 1:17:58  It's in the range from May 31st total shows a little bit less.
 1:18:02  520 520. Okay. So, it's going to get in the range anyways. Yeah.
 1:18:11  And then in this one as well, um, uh, and the salaries, I know we probably aren't discussing salaries. We just requested, uh, $3,000 raises for all of
 1:18:21  our non-mandated staff. Um, so, uh, the probation officer salary schedule did not get an increase this year for a second year.
 1:18:29  So, I thought it looked like that was the case. Just their buff ups they got years of service. Yes. So that's been two years like they're running without a raise or not.
 1:18:38  Uh I can't remember if there's been two consecutive years, but there have been years in the past.
 1:18:45  Interesting. There was zero this year.
 1:18:51  And then I thought I would bring up the um sometimes the the question around your analysis comes up on this one. Um,
 1:18:58  so we've had the agreement that uh we will spend our grant dollars and our user fees first and we have been honoring that um to preserve that money.
 1:19:08  Uh I do think it's extremely likely that we will be using these funds this year because we've had an influx of
 1:19:15  commissioners. So um it's likely that we will um be using some of these funds. I know uh we've we've done really well to avoid using those general fund dollars.
 1:19:27  Uh I I just want to make sure you guys are aware that this year it's likely we're going to be using some of those funds uh just because expenses go up and
 1:19:36  when your population numbers go up and so will your drugree numbers.
 1:19:42  Speaking of those, do you do you have those numbers for adult and juvenile supervisions? Like how many adults are being supervised on probation right now and how many juveniles?
 1:19:51  Uh I didn't run the juveniles. I ran the adults today. It was 2831.
 1:19:58  Wow. Sounds like a lot of people. There's a lot of people. And juveniles.
 1:20:07  I didn't run those numbers, but I can get them to you. Okay.
 1:20:15  You said 28 something. Is that trending up, flat, trending down? How's that trending? Do you know? So, uh I know in
 1:20:22  in 2025 we looked at things that go they trended they were they were going up. Um
 1:20:29  and so uh for instance one of the things that we noticed um in 2025 is that we had a 40% increase in um what's called
 1:20:38  PSI presence investigation reports alone. And they have to be it's a requirement. They have to be done on any
 1:20:45  level five or higher. Um and so we know that those if we've had a 40% increase in those uh we're we're trending up.
 1:20:54  Right. Okay. Thank you. Motion on general.
 1:21:04  I'll move approval of the supplies and other services and charges categories as requested. Second.
 1:21:13  All right. Thank you, Mr. Lman. Any other questions or comments?
 1:21:19  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. And those oppos same sign. Motion carries.
 1:21:28  Next, we have a juvenile probation fund.
 1:21:32  There are no changes from last year this one. And this is a fee driven fund.
 1:21:41  It is. Yes.
 1:21:50  chair would entertain a motion regarding other services and charges uh for approval for $11,000.
 1:22:00  All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle. Second. Thank you, Mr. Lemon. Any questions or comments?
 1:22:08  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those oppos same sign motion carries. Next we have opioid restricted fund.
 1:22:20  So when we start looking at the salaries, this includes the salary and benefits for our a drug court probation officer who will be in the 2-year range
 1:22:28  next year and our treatment coordinator um that has been previously approved um
 1:22:34  for these uh for this funds. Uh it also includes uh because the treatment coord coordinator is not a a mandated staff,
 1:22:44  it also includes a a $3,000 raise in that as well. Um new this year, I don't know if you had a question.
 1:22:53  New this year, you're going to see an increase in the salaries and then the benefits as well. I was asked by uh former commissioner Middlesworth to
 1:23:02  include an extra $100,000 in this budget to pay for the previously discussed jail
 1:23:09  treatment coordinator. Um so if that position does end up getting approved,
 1:23:16  um it will already be allocated for 2027 budget. Um and it will appear on the
 1:23:22  sheriff's payroll. Um, so Oh, I see down here. Okay.
 1:23:27  And I'm assuming if it moves forward the uh when the city does their 50% reimbursement, it will go back into the restricted funds.
 1:23:41  I'm not sure how I'm going to I need to talk. That's a question about personel. Yeah.
 1:23:48  Yeah. I wasn't cuz it's coming out of there. I think we have to front it and then they reimburse. Okay, just so I can make notes in this.
 1:23:56  Let me make sure I got this right. So, this is a position we have not approved yet. We've had some conver they the sheriff presented it to us.
 1:24:03  When the budgets were due, um the it was the first time it was on the agenda. So, I uh we went ahead and allocated so it wouldn't be a change in the budget.
 1:24:12  Okay. Um and so so that that's in this restricted funds budget.
 1:24:18  If you this body chooses to approve that position or allocate for that position, it will be in the 27 budget already.
 1:24:26  Right.
 1:24:27  If you don't, it's there at this point. 27's in the request. Now, what were we talking about though as far as reimbursement or
 1:24:36  So this was the um from my understanding it has a 50% reimbursement from the city Marriott. Okay.
 1:24:42  Yeah. So, they're and they've already approved their I think I think I saw that someplace in their paper or whatever. Okay.
 1:24:48  Yeah. Um so, if they do that, they they put in $50,000 as a reimbursement, but we pay that.
 1:24:56  We pay up front and that's my understanding.
 1:24:59  Money would come back into the fund paid out of I'm assuming that out of this fund as long as I can do it that way. So this the opoy fund they have restrictions on
 1:25:08  how you co-mingle and you have to find out for sure be done there. Okay. All right. So at this point that's not there but it's here in the budget in case we do that
 1:25:16  if you do and if not then um I think this would just allow us to be proactive if you choose to do that and then if not you could make those decisions to reduce that.
 1:25:25  Okay. So we'll do that during personal time. Exactly that. Okay. Then next we have the adult probation time. Let me
 1:25:33  ask you one question. I noticed on the drug court PO information officer on that line the actual 27 requested salary is less than 26.
 1:25:44  Is that correct?
 1:25:45  I think it was because the staff change we had staff.
 1:25:49  Okay. All right. So that's the new person is less than all.
 1:25:52  So they reset uh at zero years. So I didn't know there was a change there. So okay.
 1:25:59  Thank you. is that adult probation.
 1:26:09  Um in the adult probation, uh this is a fee fund. Um so this uh we pay for one probation officer's salary. Um in here
 1:26:18  we also pay for the IDAX coordinator stipend. Uh we also include the in-house groups coordinator stipend and the
 1:26:28  office manager longevity. that was um awarded voy back in 2013. Um and so
 1:26:35  those those also fall here. Uh that these aren't in the general fund.
 1:26:42  And this person those persons are paid out of general and that's their well except for the adult probation officer. I mean some of them are.
 1:26:50  Yes. The IDA coordinators paid out the uh general fund for their salary. Uh we looked at um uh we felt like it was
 1:26:57  important to honor the extra work that's taking on. Uh so we um previously had that approved through the council to use
 1:27:04  our user fees to do that. Uh just to try to compensate people for extra work.
 1:27:10  Yeah. And got a little chart for us to show that pre And you on the chart Michelle Brown's
 1:27:17  position. We show that under an extra thousand out of fund 9147 probably out of fund 2000 instead. If you look back
 1:27:26  on that information general fund schedule, I think that's in the other other column.
 1:27:34  No big deal. We just want to make sure we we agree with that.
 1:27:47  that page. Next, we have the alcohol.
 1:27:57  So, there's a total increase of $7,000.
 1:28:00  Uh, one in travel for 3,000, one in training for 4,000. Um, we we uh raised those categories because we had a
 1:28:07  decrease in grant funding and so uh in training and travel. So they the state um pretty much cut all of our training
 1:28:15  and travel in half. So uh we're using user fees to um make up that difference.
 1:28:23  Uh we are required to have continuing education hours every year. So uh training is not really an option for us.
 1:28:30  So we were um instead of requesting that to come from the general fund, we looked at um just increasing what we have.
 1:28:45  I'd move for approval of categories two and three as requested, but not four.
 1:28:52  Is there four on this one? Mhm.
 1:28:54  Yep. Alcohol and drug fund. You have equipment. Oh, you know I was looking at the drug court fun page. You were actually on alcohol and drugs. Yes.
 1:29:02  Okay. I'm sorry. I apologize.
 1:29:06  I would I move approval of all three of those then supplies, other services, charges, and capital outlet. Okay. All right. Thank you, Mr. Court.
 1:29:15  We have a second.
 1:29:18  All right. Thank you, Mr. Blooming. Any questions or comments?
 1:29:23  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those code same sign. Motion carries. Thank you. Next
 1:29:31  round of veteran treatment court fund. I believe that might be your last one.
 1:29:45  Um this one shows a $1,000 increase in training as well due to the decreased grant funding.
 1:29:56  The training CE is that mandatory we have as a probation officer you have to uh keep a certain number of uh
 1:30:05  training hours continuing education hours every year. So what's the hour?
 1:30:11  Um so the minimum is 12. Um and so um
 1:30:18  they have generally they have um some conferences within the state and then um some outside of the state. Um so for our
 1:30:26  problem solving courts we generally travel to the national conference to learn about um kind of best practice standards across the the country. Um but
 1:30:36  they some of them we can do um within the state at the justice services conference. Um, so it really just
 1:30:44  depends on what's on their agenda, whether it matches what we need or not.
 1:30:50  Um, we generally encourage them to have more than 12 hours.
 1:30:56  So even though the grant cut that cut the training, you are increasing the training over 2026,
 1:31:04  but you're still utilizing user fee dollars, but still what you're asking for is more than 2026. So you're just going after more training.
 1:31:12  So the training got cut in half by the grant funds and so we use those before we use user and that's in a different that funds in
 1:31:20  a different the money's in a different fund. You're saying the grant? Yes.
 1:31:23  The grants in a different fund, right? But there's increases while she's asking the request of 2027 request is higher than
 1:31:31  because what she the grant fund is less than what it used to be. So she put an extra increase over here to make up for what she lost there. The grant fund was
 1:31:39  cut by 2500. So we added a,000 back in.
 1:31:46  That's a separate fund that we don't have here.
 1:31:52  So your net is less than what it was, but you're increasing here to make up part of what you lost.
 1:32:05  So this year we took our um veterans um like our veterans mentor so they were able to attend the conference.
 1:32:14  So um we ask people we can use those grant funds to you to take them as well.
 1:32:19  So sometimes it's in addition so it could be team members that need additional training as well. So, uh it's
 1:32:25  not always just one person or um so it could be um
 1:32:32  prosecutors and things like that as well.
 1:32:42  Chair to entertain a motion regarding the veterans treatment court fund categories two and three for a total of $14,000.
 1:32:54  So move. All right. Thank you, Mr. Report. Thank you, Mr. Kado.
 1:33:00  Any other questions or comments? Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. And those same time. Motion
 1:33:07  carries. Thank you. And finally, I guess fun. I moved on. I know. Yeah, you did.
 1:33:17  The same increase here is a $6,000 increase in training and travel.
 1:33:22  categories. Um again based on the decrease in uh grant funding.
 1:33:34  I'll repeat my motion to approve.
 1:33:36  All right. Categories two and three. So that would be the total fund. So it takes 47,000. Yep. All right. Thank you, Mr. McCord.
 1:33:45  Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Lim. Uh any other questions or comments?
 1:33:53  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those opposing sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
 1:34:01  Yeah, that's it. Next, we got the uh vehicle.
 1:34:22  First one I was going to start with is the MBH 1176 funding. Um I know we talked a little bit about personnel and
 1:34:29  uh I kind of concur what Mr. the sheriff had to say is anything you can do would greatly be appreciated. Uh I increased every position salary up to $3,000.
 1:34:42  Um we're same way with the uh TDL license. It's hard to find good quality drivers and keep them. Um, the other day
 1:34:51  we had same kind of thing. We got a new piece piece of machinery and we saved about $4 or $5,000 a day, but we have to
 1:34:59  have a class A license to drive it, plus be trained on that machinery and everything else. So, um, you know, I got
 1:35:06  to try to keep good qualified employees uh on staff. So, every position I raised $3,000
 1:35:15  except for the uh assistant superintendent position, Mr. Gillespie, that started last year with me. Uh I
 1:35:23  increased his uh 7,000. The reason I did was because he's like me and he's salary. He doesn't get overtime and
 1:35:32  sometimes my road foreman were making more than him during the winter months and storms that we've had. So I would like to make sure he's been there as
 1:35:40  much as I have and good quality help and I want to make sure that he gets paid for his performance. So I'm also
 1:35:49  learning my job on the administrative side. So that's why I increased that so much.
 1:36:00  Any questions? Be glad to help answer if you'd like.
 1:36:18  And I guess if you want me to go down each line item, I'd be glad to on there is some changes. Not a lot, but
 1:36:25  there is some on different um expenses.
 1:36:32  I would say just highlight the changes like that. Sure. Okay.
 1:36:37  Um, whole thing was all travel conference. I went up $500 from 3,000 to 3500.
 1:36:45  Um, over time I went from 50,000 to 60,000.
 1:36:50  Um, pretty much everything else on that area stayed the
 1:36:56  same. Software I went to 50,000. That's biolytics that we started our new program and is working really well. Um,
 1:37:06  so 50,000. Yep. Yeah. Yes, it is. Yes. I Yes.
 1:37:13  Yes. Yes. So, um, I was trying to look at some other stuff that has changed.
 1:37:22  Um, of course, social security perf and all that's all figured in. Garage motor. I went from 180,000 to 160,000.
 1:37:34  Gas, oil, and lube, I went up $5,000. Uh tires and tubes, I went down $5,000.
 1:37:42  Um contractual services and physicals, drug and alcohol, I did
 1:37:48  $1,000 on uh cuz they're charging more for doing our drug and alcohol testing.
 1:37:55  Um uniform of rentals, I went up 20,000 and uh equipment I left the same. So
 1:38:04  pretty much all that area is pretty much the same. 73
 1:38:13  you go ahead and go with 73 too. These are packed back.
 1:38:22  What I do is I take half the year on the uh everyone except administrative side.
 1:38:30  I take truck drivers, equipment operators. I take out of half the year of 1173 which is a restricted um cuz
 1:38:38  that has to be used on road repair maintenance. Um so I do it during the summer summer months I pay it out of
 1:38:45  there and then the winter months I pay out of 73. So that's why those has truck driver equipment operators salaries out of two different spots.
 1:38:57  Uh stone and gravel I left the same by 2 minutes oil I went 100,000 from 500,000 to 600,000.
 1:39:06  Uh roads and signs I left the same.
 1:39:08  Rental equipment same. Uh paving projects I went from a million down to 800,000.
 1:39:15  And uh equipment I went from 300 down to 250,000.
 1:39:22  So just remember that these two do not come out of the county's general fund. These
 1:39:29  are out of the MBH highway fund. Uh projected revenue or these two together
 1:39:36  I think was like around 5.3 million. Um I kind of estimated we'll probably receive around 6 million. Um working
 1:39:44  with they really haven't gave us numbers but I just kind of estimated in the past what it's been. So, I figure it'll be
 1:39:51  around 6 million, but I'll do like I've always done come back if I need to ask for additional kind
 1:40:05  for this fun. Let's see.
 1:40:12  highway fund right now shows an operating balance of about $70,000 unbudgeted right now.
 1:40:21  Yeah. Okay. Which is not high.
 1:40:27  And I think in the 1176 the cash balance is like 2.6 million the end of this month or something. So
 1:40:37  that's what we expect to receive. It looks like that. Yeah. Any
 1:40:46  other questions or you want me to do one category at a time?
 1:40:51  We probably stop and vote on these other categories we just did.
 1:40:56  Right. There are I'm willing to make a motion to approve under the this is uh it's going to be a combination of MDH
 1:41:03  fund 1176 and 1173. Well, I'll start with the beginning. I left the 76 under highway administration.
 1:41:11  Category 2. Category 3. Category 2 is $1,500. Category 3 is 6,500.
 1:41:18  Under maintenance and repair supply account, category 2 is 154,000.
 1:41:24  Under services and charges, category 3 is 50,100.
 1:41:30  Under uh general and undistributed under supply category 2 is $370,000.
 1:41:37  Category 3 other services and charges is 76,000. Capital outlay is $50,000.
 1:41:46  And under fund 1173 which is the restricted NVH fund under maintenance and repair supplies category 2 of
 1:41:54  925,000 category 3 10,000 and category 4 800,000.
 1:42:04  Under construction and reconstruction cap outlay category 4 is 100,000.
 1:42:11  under general and then distributed expenses capital outlay which is category 4 is $250,000
 1:42:18  that covers all yes it does thank you commission for that motion
 1:42:26  we have a second all right thank you any questions or comments from the
 1:42:33  council hearing none all in favor please signify by saying I oppose same Motion carries to approve that. Thank
 1:42:42  you. And next we have local road and street fund. And what I requested was the same as last year. 600,000.
 1:42:56  Just a real quick check. I think that one has a little bigger operating balance into that. Uh and operating balance be 44,000 plus on that front with the budget.
 1:43:13  chair would entertain a motion regarding uh category 4 which is really the whole fund for this 600,000.
 1:43:22  All right. Thank you, Mr. L. Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle.
 1:43:30  Any other questions, comments?
 1:43:33  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I.
 1:43:36  And those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. Thank you. Next, uh we have cumulative bridge fund 1135.
 1:43:46  Yes. Uh on this one, I lowered the culver pipes from 200,000 to 170,000.
 1:43:53  Our bridge inspection since this is a lower frequency on our bridge inspection is a 4-year plan, but this is the second
 1:44:01  year, so it's a little bit lower. So, I had to pay 30,000. There's only like 10 bridges that have to be reinspected in the second year.
 1:44:11  Uh and then the next one is bridge 791 and uh I'm uh applying for it in
 1:44:19  September for community crossing grant and I need the 400,000 to make the match and finish the project. And then the
 1:44:27  next one is bridge 712 at Branson Street here in Maring, Indiana. We were just
 1:44:34  awarded um $7,770ome,000 for a federal aid job. Uh construction
 1:44:42  for that project will start in we'll go to bid in 2030 probably. So, but I my
 1:44:50  main thing is I've got to have two $2.5 million for our 20%
 1:44:57  in that year. So, what I'd like to do is next few years is put 600,000 back so
 1:45:05  that when that thing goes to bid, we have the money available. We'll have to pay for the whole inspection. Then we'll get reimbured 80% of it, but it's still
 1:45:14  probably going to be $200 or $300,000 to do the inspection. So, that's a total replacement of that bridge. So, so
 1:45:22  really what you'll do is you're going to budget 600,000 and 27 and really it's going to show 1.2 million in 28 1.8.
 1:45:31  Okay. You're going to have to add it accumulated throughout that time.
 1:45:34  Yeah, I was going to say and I don't know, we haven't really talked Angie and I about how we want to just leave it in the account just to keep knowing that we
 1:45:42  got it there. But I when you see that cash balance, I don't know what you're going, oh, we spend it. There's a reason.
 1:45:48  Yeah. Yeah, there's a reason. So, I just, you know, it's uh we've been trying for four years to get this on the federal aid program and so we finally
 1:45:56  did get it about a month ago. So, it's really nice. Right now, the operating cash balance would show 971,000 after this budget for that fund, right?
 1:46:06  And of course, it'll be going up every year if you keep paying back another 600,000 for that. Okay.
 1:46:16  Did you get it on the federal aid program? because that is or the truck route or does it matter?
 1:46:22  The biggest reason was cuz the total project's over $10 million and we only have to pay 20% of it. So that's why
 1:46:31  that bridge at right over here that just north it's the only bridge in the county
 1:46:38  that's five span. So all the logs get caught on it and won't go through there.
 1:46:43  So every year we got to spend about $20,000 to get the logs out of there. So um and that's we looked at trying to
 1:46:51  take some of the tollers out, but you have to you can't do that and have the strength for the bridge. So the only way to do it is to remove it all the way. So
 1:47:00  that's why we went the federal aid route. my opinion, if it's not over a couple million dollars, the federal aid route's not. You have to go through more
 1:47:09  guidelines and everything else and to get that money kind of thing. So that's why we've tried several years to get
 1:47:16  them to pay for it. And so I got to start till like 30 or something like how long will it take?
 1:47:22  It'll probably take a year and a half to build more than that. No, it should be a year and a half to build it. So,
 1:47:32  do you know will both lanes be shut down or will they? Yeah, they'll shut the whole thing down.
 1:47:37  Yeah, Washington Street Bridge will be busy.
 1:47:49  Yeah.
 1:47:52  All right. Um, chair would entertain a motion regarding cumulative bridge fund 1135.
 1:48:02  So, all right. Thank you, Mr. McCory. That'll be the entire fund. Yes. So, the entire 2, three, and four.
 1:48:10  Yep. Category 2, three, and four with a total of 1.2 million. We got a second. Thank you, Mr. W.
 1:48:20  questions, comments hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I.
 1:48:25  I. Those oppos same sign. Motion carries. Next. The recycle fund.
 1:48:33  Only thing I kind of really did on it was I did give the personnel, the director a $2,000 raise. Um, and then I
 1:48:41  kind of lowered the contractual service from 25,000 to 20,000.
 1:48:47  The budget went down approximately $2,000. So everything else pretty much remains the same. You know that fund is a deficit based on budget.
 1:48:57  Yeah, I know. It's real close. It's like 20. Well, but he didn't get we got payment in June or July after that was
 1:49:06  presented shows 22,359 deficit that ends 27 with the with the funding
 1:49:14  that's shown in the equation. It comes up to negative. So there's something you received in addition to what we expected to get. We get two checks every year.
 1:49:23  the first in June it was 35,000 and then we'll get another one in December
 1:49:29  usually 30 35,000 in that area too from the solid waste district we get it every year when we're projecting in 27
 1:49:38  $100,000 in receipts and last half of 26 51,272
 1:49:46  so that's if we're going to get more than that that's to your benefit to fund this but if you're not going to get any more than that right now we can't fund Let's buy $22,000
 1:50:05  check. It doesn't matter. It don't matter.
 1:50:09  It doesn't matter. As long as it's included here matter long as it's included.
 1:50:15  I I mean I can't say that it is. I'm assuming it's included in there. Yeah. Okay.
 1:50:18  Cuz it's part of the miscellaneous revenue. It's part of the SL number. Yeah. Okay.
 1:50:23  So that I mean based on those numbers they we can't fund it by 22,000 almost $400.
 1:50:30  I guess we'll cut whatever we got to cut to make it happen.
 1:50:35  So I know what option you're looking at.
 1:50:39  There's not many options to cut like that kind of course of equipment. 15,000 right there. You can What's in your contractual services?
 1:50:46  Yeah. 20,000. I would say just cut equipment and cut 5,000 out of contractual services.
 1:50:55  So make equipment zero. Yep.
 1:50:58  And then we need another what? 7,400.
 1:51:02  Cut 5,000 of contractual service. Make it 15,000.
 1:51:08  And then cut um 2359 down to zero.
 1:51:18  2359.
 1:51:20  Um, let's take uh let's cut uh our time back to 25,000.
 1:51:31  Okay.
 1:51:54  2020, right? Sounds like then uh what we'd
 1:52:01  have for recycle fund 4013 would be category 2 at 4,000. Category 3 I believe would be 18,500.
 1:52:12  Right. And equipment category 4 would be zero. Right.
 1:52:23  Entertain a motion regarding that. So move. All right. Thank you, Mr. Court.
 1:52:32  We have a second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Scott. Any questions or comments?
 1:52:41  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. And those oppos same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.
 1:52:49  Is a little more struggling now than it has in the past.
 1:52:52  Yeah. Say it has. I think it's just everything going stuff we have to pay to get rid of and stuff.
 1:53:01  Yeah. We'll insert tax on it. Same request as last year.
 1:53:08  Yeah. I just made it 800,000.
 1:53:14  It makes about a million a year, but I just want to be safe. So that's why I only request 800,000.
 1:53:22  All right. Chair would entertain a motion regarding uh this fund.
 1:53:30  All right. Thank you, Mr. Cotto. Second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle. Questions or comments?
 1:53:38  Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those oppos same sign. Motion carries.
 1:53:49  Thank you. Thank you. All right. They cut down the overpass at 1813. Oh yeah. Everything's being passed through here.
 1:53:56  We've already had two semis take out the whole quarter. It's just like nonstop. I was just kidding. I got to get that
 1:54:04  figured out cuz it looks like I'm moving in town. How does how did the school bus get through age 800? Did they come
 1:54:10  across 13 go down 800 through me or next up commissioners?
 1:54:22  Good evening, uh, Mr. President, good evening, gentlemen. How are you guys? Great.
 1:54:28  Uh to start out, just want to let you guys know, former Commissioner Middlesworth is the one that put our budget together, but uh Beth and myself
 1:54:37  and Marty can help answer any questions that you guys have. So, um I'll I'll answer anything that you have,
 1:54:44  but the thing I want to touch on is we're about a million dollars more than uh last year, and the bulk of that is
 1:54:52  from my glasses. central dispatch portion is $483,000
 1:54:58  higher and uh from what I was told um they get funding from the state that's
 1:55:05  going to end this year and so that's the reason for the uh higher amount and quite honestly no that's not the reason
 1:55:13  that's not the reason no unfortunately no um the difference between what we get from the you from the cities
 1:55:21  that we pay into the central dispatch fund Okay.
 1:55:25  And what was requested, I took the difference from those two amounts and added it to what we currently because we
 1:55:33  would inevitably have to fund any shortfall 292. So that's why there's such an increase and that will change.
 1:55:40  Yeah. And actually I misunderstood that.
 1:55:43  We approved tonight. I would suggest we exclude that line item because we'll know that as we finish those the 2922 fund budget. When we finish that, we'll
 1:55:51  know what that number is cuz it means we don't know that right now. All right.
 1:55:54  So, we'll just exclude that from what we'll approve tonight, I would say. Okay.
 1:56:01  First meeting of October or whatever. Thank you, Angie. Yeah. Sorry.
 1:56:06  That's okay. Yeah. As you can see, last year we appropriated 511,000 which is our share. That's the county share of that contract and the same number.
 1:56:16  Okay. Well, in 2017, we'll see when we're all said and done. Okay. I'm glad we got that figured out. So,
 1:56:26  and as far as personnel, it's just uh we asked for a 3% uh increase across the board except for our drainage board
 1:56:33  secretary. Uh we asked for 10% uh for that position just because they were uh so lowly paid. We're trying to get them
 1:56:41  up to everybody else. So, be happy to answer any questions that you might have. Uh, legal contractual
 1:56:50  services was a joke. Yeah. Um, trying to figure out a nice way to say it.
 1:57:01  We've got there's some legal things going on that we're expecting uh to need that higher amount.
 1:57:09  So, yeah, it's a big jump. 52,000.
 1:57:17  What's in the contractual services category which is the 30700 which is about 300,000.
 1:57:26  Uh say that say that again Mr. Kits.
 1:57:29  Um the contractual services which is account 30700 budgeted uh in 26 at 300. It's still at
 1:57:38  300. I just wondered what was in it. So, janitorial or cleaning supplies, um those type of things is what we pay out of there.
 1:57:50  Which one are you talking are you talking about the first one?
 1:57:52  Yes, there's two cuz we have there's two we have a janitorial and contractual as well.
 1:57:56  It's also um it pays for Schneider which is our GIS invoice cloud.
 1:58:05  Yeah, janitorial is a separate lineup. Augusta Consulting was paid out of that. V strategies. So that's all around not just Okay.
 1:58:14  Sorry, I'm trying to look.
 1:58:16  Yeah, I was. Yep. I was looking at the wrong line. So So contractual services v was paid out of that one. Yes. Yep.
 1:58:24  Do we see a need to keep that?
 1:58:28  I think it's beneficial, but that'll be up to the commissioners uh you know, next year. So, uh, Sydney does a good
 1:58:36  job of informing us what's going on as far as, uh, things around the state, things at a at a legislative level that
 1:58:43  we normally probably wouldn't be aware of. How much was that contract?
 1:58:48  Is it 60 50 50? Yeah. Okay. Well, she probably tells you more as she tells us. I believe we receive a monthly email.
 1:58:58  Okay. It looks like it just pulled from a legislative digest or somewhere and something that she has created. Does it look like to me?
 1:59:05  But I I know we receive a monthly wrap up. We wrap up. You're right.
 1:59:15  You're right. Yeah.
 1:59:17  Yeah. I guess I'm wondering what legislation that we wanted changed that actually got carried and changed. Well, I think that was the biggest thing. I
 1:59:24  remember when we approved it a couple years ago. I mean, it was the fact that she was going to be down advocating on behalf of Grant County. Yeah.
 1:59:33  I mean there may be and I haven't heard I'm not accusing I'm I'm not aware of anything that she has advocated that
 1:59:40  specifically for Grant County. It seems like there's a lot of things that's lumped in Grant County has lumped in
 1:59:48  things maybe she advocated for but I don't see the direct benefit. One of the biggest things that um that is coming
 1:59:55  into play for Grant County is the um handbook legislation where um
 2:00:04  as someone is hired, they should be signing that I've read the handbook, I understand the handbook, and I will follow those things. um without that
 2:00:13  legislation to require it's a condition of employment clause um
 2:00:20  within state statute that as we have employees that are employed by elected officials, they have
 2:00:28  historically been seen as the elected official staff versus the county staff.
 2:00:32  It's a shift away from individual elected officials authority to county authority because we pay their salaries
 2:00:40  and their benefits. Um, basically making them signing and agreeing to the to the handbook as a condition of employment.
 2:00:48  But that's going to happen regardless that that's not happening just on behalf of Grant County, right? Every county in the state of Indiana is every every county benefits for that.
 2:00:57  But she did advocate because it it affected us. it affects us.
 2:01:02  We asked her to do that, but it would happen regardless if if she was in that position or not. That's still going to that's still going to
 2:01:10  happen. At least perhaps I think it it will it's affecting 91 other counties. Absolutely.
 2:01:20  So again, I go back to just seeing that I don't see that direct benefit to to us,
 2:01:27  right? And I don't know. That's why I'm asking the questions because I've I've never seen that directly.
 2:01:32  I guess the question did would that have been brought into legislation concerned if she had wrote it for us? Is that's I I feel like that she advocated on our
 2:01:40  behalf because it was important to us and she talked with other lobbyists that it was important to them and they said,
 2:01:47  "Hey, this makes sense. Let's, you know, let's do what lobbyists do and go talk to people and make this happen." We know when that contract expires or is it just a They know.
 2:01:58  I do not know.
 2:01:59  I Mr. Kids I I want to say I want to say it's December, January, but I'm I think it's in February. Maybe February. Is it February? Yeah.
 2:02:07  I know it's not end of the year, correct? Yeah,
 2:02:20  that's a tough one for me. I guess I certainly suggest that that would be decreased by at least 50,000, but I
 2:02:26  don't know what the other ones are contractual services.
 2:02:34  It's almost like a reook for that cuz that's a lot of money, $300,000.
 2:02:42  One of the ones that that Angie mentioned was um Invoice Cloud, which is the um the treasures
 2:02:50  software, right? The software that they use to collect online payments. So, that is that is an expense truly driven by
 2:02:59  collecting taxes by card. So, um you know, Snider's important. Snider is um our
 2:03:07  GIS. Angie, I think you I think you read off like a handful of them. I did.
 2:03:14  Yeah. So, Snider.
 2:03:16  So we've out just this year out of this account we've paid Amaresco applied
 2:03:23  innovation Augusta Consulting BCS management clon which that is for
 2:03:30  helping the treasurer balance um Kim search everbridge cloud malcon
 2:03:38  which is to uh get reimbursement from the state for gas expenses with EMS and
 2:03:46  other um reimbursements. NWCS, I don't know what that is.
 2:03:53  WCS, off the top of my head, I don't know what that is. Schneider Securas
 2:03:59  Technologies and Taylor Swifter Williams Design. What's the amount from the W?
 2:04:06  I can tell you we paid them $1,190 so far. Monthly inspections.
 2:04:13  That's what it says. Um, Midwest tank for the gas gas tank for the sheriff's department fuel.
 2:04:21  You said something.
 2:04:22  I'm always used to them being custom tank, not consulting. August.
 2:04:26  Yeah, we're not We didn't reup with them. Okay. What were who was that?
 2:04:32  That was Brad Bual. He was helping us with some economic development. East Central. Yeah. August Augusta Consulting. Yeah.
 2:04:40  So, how much was that? because that could be reduced then from the we've paid 13,000 a month plus or minus.
 2:04:48  Yeah, we've we paid them a total of 58,000 just almost $500. That's a good chunk. 14,000 a month.
 2:04:57  It was 14,58350.
 2:05:01  Yeah, I think 150,000 roughly is what we had contract 13 a month that's 156,000. So yeah, 14
 2:05:11  145 maybe 145 ite
 2:05:27  was done in the summer maybe. Was it July?
 2:05:32  So you're not what Commissioner Stewart, did you say you're not renewing? We did not renew with him. No. Yes, sir.
 2:05:39  So, it's gone for So, that was 175, right?
 2:05:44  1745 * 12 174,000.
 2:05:48  Yeah, you can take 225,000 under. Sounds
 2:05:58  pretty easy if that's if those two contracts, right?
 2:06:10  Yeah, that might have been when he just left it buried.
 2:06:14  Yeah. Yeah, that that could probably definitely come down now that now that we're talking about it and looking at
 2:06:20  it. I I'm not sure why why he kept that kept that the same.
 2:06:30  You drop that to 75.
 2:06:32  Yeah. But I I would I'd leave a little wiggle room in for some things that might come up.
 2:06:38  Come up. But I think I think you could definitely cut it in half safely cut it in half. Maybe, you know, maybe even more.
 2:06:45  Maybe just put it to 100,000.
 2:06:48  Yeah. I think it's Do you guys see any issues with that?
 2:06:55  I mean, we don't have adult Augusta consulting anymore, right? So police require
 2:07:02  the thing that if I mean we
 2:07:10  I guess I I I like to have a little cushion, but it's if if we're not paying those, you know, we just have to be
 2:07:19  tighter with with what is Yeah. You know, and people can't just assume that the commissioners will pay it out of
 2:07:26  contractual because there may not be enough in there to pay it.
 2:07:29  If you had 300,000 and 175, let's say, was one of them and 50 was that's 125,000. So that's taking it down to 75.
 2:07:37  We're giving you 100. So there's 25,000 extra there, correct?
 2:07:41  Y cuz I guess we're giving you the extra 52,000 in the contractual services for
 2:07:49  legal. So, well, I wonder if we should table that. I Commissioner Stewart, tell
 2:07:56  me if I'm wrong. I kind of sensed a little concern there on that account.
 2:08:01  I'm just wondering, do we need to get in executive session or something with those concerns or not not as a breakfast, but
 2:08:09  yeah, I I it just it just seems like there's going to be some things come up next year on the horizon that that we
 2:08:16  may need to utilize Marty and Mr. warm to be a little bit more. Um, and I think
 2:08:24  that's what former commissioner Millsorth was thinking. Just some things down the road that may pop that may come up.
 2:08:31  I mean, if there's going to be things that's going to financially impact the county, then at least as I not going to be me, but I don't think I don't think
 2:08:38  it's I don't I think it's just some I just wonder if this if there's things this body should be aware of if it's
 2:08:45  with the council being the physical body.
 2:08:47  Yeah. I at this point, Mr. Scott, I don't I don't think so. Okay. Yeah.
 2:08:52  I mean, you're almost doubling the legal contractual services budget, so it seems significant to that.
 2:09:00  Can I say a little bit about the contractual? Yeah.
 2:09:03  If I take out Augusta, BCS, B channel 27, just so far this year on the other
 2:09:10  items that they, you know, have paid, it's been $142,000 so far. just just so far this year on
 2:09:19  those other items regarding been you know spent since this page was made then so
 2:09:30  I think 100 room that you said Jen well taking out those two items what she's saying actually is that the
 2:09:37  300,000 wasn't enough that wasn't enough yeah so she's thought you probably need to have a 200,000 right now is what or
 2:09:44  more sounds like so with I think she listed that if they if they keep those in and the same pace of expense takes place is that we brought you to 200,000
 2:09:53  instead of 100,000. Sounds like what were those ones you removed?
 2:09:59  I removed Augusta Consulting, BCS, Volt, and Channel 27.
 2:10:07  How much was that contract with Channel 27? $2,000 a month.
 2:10:11  Yeah, I remember they we did something with them. I didn't remember the amount, but we did something with them.
 2:10:17  We approved that. Yeah. I don't even remember seeing anything posted about the county from I don't know. Yeah,
 2:10:25  I remember them coming to us about doing that though. I can't remember what the amount was.
 2:10:29  So, what are we saying on that count? We need to go back up to 200 or what we based on what she's telling us there. If those items remain, we need to have more
 2:10:36  than 100,000. I'd say 150 is your floor based on what this is. Well, we've spent 142 already as of this year.
 2:10:48  We know that's an ongoing if that's you know like onetime stuff or it's not going on stuff. Yeah.
 2:10:54  It's if you spent 140 already we're almost close to that 300,000 for the whole year then the only one that would not probably be
 2:11:01  ongoing is Kun and that depends on how long it takes to how long it takes them to balance how much we spent with them. You know that's what I'm trying to find.
 2:11:13  Is that typically a yearly thing? What's that?
 2:11:17  No, it's it's a one time. It's a project thing to help the treasur's office is what it is. So far, it's like $2,300.
 2:11:25  It's not very much. It's small. Okay. Maybe we ought to keep it at least 150.
 2:11:34  Sure.
 2:11:36  That might not be enough. be around 210 and still be still cover it the rest of this year on average cuz it sounds like
 2:11:44  that's 216 is a lot higher than what it actually is there the last 3 months it's
 2:11:50  gone a lot over the last 2 or 3 months for the legal are we certain those things are going to happen in 27 or
 2:11:59  should we do the 70 and then whatever transpires transpires we take care of do an additional
 2:12:10  Yeah, I mean that's that's definitely possible.
 2:12:12  Not knowing what the what the future may bring.
 2:12:14  Do you have anything to say on chime in on that or is there No, we we're going to have one new commissioner starting tomorrow. Tomorrow we're going to have another new commissioner starting with being a year.
 2:12:25  So I I'm trying to plan and and be as generous on the situation as I can. And it's going to involve some more time
 2:12:33  with me and and Mr. Armsby as well. And so we don't want to um want to be respectful of the council's authority,
 2:12:40  but also not to come back as much. We understand come back. So um and we're paying time.
 2:12:50  That's You're always welcome, Mr. Harker. You're always welcome. Appreciate that.
 2:13:01  where we keep thinking it's high, you know, just maybe kind of middle ground thought. Why
 2:13:09  don't we make the service lines 150 like we talked and make this 100,000.
 2:13:15  So make it total of 250 between the two accounts at this point. because it's something if they if there's something they need to come back to us significant above that they just need to come back
 2:13:24  to us from sense that we did yes
 2:13:39  30,000 that account I think you were saying something about central dispatch some explanation so we need that 99.
 2:13:50  We don't. Okay.
 2:13:51  No, we don't know.
 2:13:54  That would just teach us. Yeah, that would we won't act on that one. We just won't act on that.
 2:13:59  When does that come or when do you find how does that when we do our final adoption which central dispatches salaries only and they won't do that?
 2:14:08  Once we know it's personnel cost then we can do that total budget so we'll know the difference. Gotcha.
 2:14:19  big big is out of black also. It's already got a new billing from them. Um raising
 2:14:26  the bill just just a hair. Um 30 it's uh $3,333.
 2:14:37  Is there?
 2:14:37  So we may want to make that adjust cuz that's that's the what it's going to be.
 2:14:44  project the entire year or is it cuz we're at 34 already, right? And we 61 last year.
 2:14:52  It's the one time of the year. Okay. We pay that bill one time. And last year we expended 61.
 2:14:59  We did because it didn't get paid the year before that. Gotcha. And I had to come and ask. I got 31's not quite enough.
 2:15:07  31's not quite enough. It's 30 34. So 35,000. 35,000.
 2:15:13  Seriously,
 2:15:35  heat.
 2:15:58  64 byt of 4,16,204
 2:16:08  for that category. I'm sorry. 4 million 4 million 16,204
 2:16:16  if we those three accounts with those changes. We're not going to do the 994 to 98.
 2:16:24  Well, that's correct. So, I need to state that all the total prove you're right. Good point.
 2:16:34  So makes it 3,022 3 million22 204.
 2:16:48  All right.
 2:16:55  That's why that's so it sounds like for the county general
 2:17:03  fund commissioners category 2 is 114,000
 2:17:08  category 3 would be 3,ion22,204 and category 4 would be 125.
 2:17:19  Mr. president, would you uh consider entertaining public question and comment before considering motions?
 2:17:27  Uh, no. I don't I don't think we're going to do that. Thank you, sir. Thank you. This has been confusing enough.
 2:17:42  Are you ready? Yeah, I guess.
 2:17:46  That was the That was the total that I had which is 2, three, and four. Correct.
 2:17:51  Which is 2, three, and four for this budget.
 2:17:57  All right. Thank you, Mr. B. With the table of that, we'll revisit that one later. The central dispatch, right? I'll second that.
 2:18:07  All right. Thank you, Mr. Cotto. the equipment remoding repair.
 2:18:15  Yes, it has on here. Okay. As present that they didn't say. Okay. Yep.
 2:18:22  All right. There's no further questions or comments from the council. All in favor, please signify by saying I.
 2:18:26  I. Those oppos same sign. Motion carries. That
 2:18:34  next we have general fund building and grounds.
 2:18:43  We removed the uh part-time budget from that um and diverted more money into
 2:18:50  overtime. Um, our building maintenance team is currently short one employee.
 2:18:59  Um, and uh have been working a lot of overtime doing uh all of the things that
 2:19:05  they are making happen. Um, we also added um 10,000 to uniform
 2:19:15  rental uh cuz we've been paying that out of contractual, right?
 2:19:21  I believe wild man. So, um so that has it's more
 2:19:33  separate and we can track that a little better cuz that's for um
 2:19:40  the work jeans and the jackets that the uh maintenance team has.
 2:19:47  Some of them, not all of them. Are they scheduling overtime or is this emergency water line breaks or you know?
 2:19:54  Um I think there's a little bit of both.
 2:19:57  Um with the removal of the um cement and the um bathrooms and the on
 2:20:05  the courthouse grounds. I know that they worked intentionally on the weekends so that there wasn't anyone in the way with the heavy equipment being operated. So,
 2:20:14  I believe that was more scheduled um as opposed to if you know over the last week we've had plumbing not working in
 2:20:22  the courthouse. So, I know that they were working overtime to help that. So, a little bit of both.
 2:20:29  So, if you feel the vacancy, do you feel there need to be for the overtime?
 2:20:37  I feel like that some of the overtime would be worked regardless. Not not the full amount but okay.
 2:20:44  So right now you've exhausted your budget for over time the year. They sure have.
 2:20:52  So less less uh personnel as far as the actual individual. There's less that cuz that's a vacancy that's not being spent.
 2:20:59  Overtime instead is what we're saying.
 2:21:03  The guy the guys on call for maintenance guy and he gets called in on the weekend. Is that overtime for him?
 2:21:08  Most generally. Yes. are required 2 hours as well.
 2:21:14  So it's considered over time a minimum. Yeah. Considered over time required two hours.
 2:21:22  How much of time has been elective type projects at fair city?
 2:21:30  Has it been difficult to fill a vacant position on that staff?
 2:21:33  Um for some reason. No.
 2:21:36  Okay. So, we just they just Why has it been just pretty recent then or something?
 2:21:40  The maintenance director has We had one uh when did he left in September last year?
 2:21:48  September last year. I've received about 25 applications. Why haven't we filled it?
 2:21:56  They have not made that decision.
 2:21:58  I guess that's up to you guys to do, but it seems like if it's you to avoid all that overtime for somebody, if you put somebody in place, I don't
 2:22:06  Agreed. We All right. That's I guess that's not a council decision. It's up to you guys to decide decide that.
 2:22:13  Ours is just funding it. We'd like to make sure we fund it reasonably.
 2:22:23  I guess if I looked at it though with the not having a full-time position that
 2:22:30  would be at $50,000 plus $20,000 which could be cheaper over time. Exactly. Most work's getting done up.
 2:22:39  Exactly.
 2:22:41  Yeah, too. I mean, if I'm the worker, I'm not putting too much overtime. Be nice to not throw overtime, I guess, unless you share the money and you have the time to work, right?
 2:22:52  I like to have my free time, I guess, depends how it is. Yeah, it's pretty important. You
 2:23:00  have to mandate it over time that they have to work. People sometimes don't like that, but sometimes they do like some extra money.
 2:23:06  They can go both ways. All right. So, I guess uh that's personal services. So, yeah. And really, I guess we're only
 2:23:13  looking at category three uh for a total of $35,000.
 2:23:19  Motion regarding that, Mr.
 2:23:23  All right. Thank you, Mr. Brinkle. We have a second. All right. Thank you, Mr.
 2:23:28  L. Motion in a second to approve category 3 for $35,000. Hearing no other questions or comments.
 2:23:36  All in favor, please signify by saying I. I. Those same sign. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you very much.
 2:23:48  Insurance.
 2:23:56  So, drainage board um Ron mentioned earlier that um was a 10% um request for
 2:24:04  salary increase there. board member salary stayed the same. Um an increase in supplies as um
 2:24:13  Mary had mentioned that she's mailing out a lot more um notices to land owners. Um and then
 2:24:23  legal services was bumped up uh due to um current litigation
 2:24:33  up and got double. How's our change before we get into litigation?
 2:24:36  It's going to it's going to it probably needs to go higher than that. What do I know? Huh?
 2:24:45  Legal service for drainage board.
 2:24:48  We're uh she's at $18,000 that she spent so far this year. She just Where did she spend it? It's happened since May.
 2:24:57  Yeah. So, we're going to have to have some kind of a transfer additional coming up under for what?
 2:25:05  You say she spent $18,000 in legal fees since May this year so far.
 2:25:14  She had 5,000 budgeted.
 2:25:16  Yeah. Some of that may be paid out of drain maintenance.
 2:25:20  She Well, she the way she maybe maybe I you know, I don't want to speak for the drainage board. Um, but I can't I I know
 2:25:29  um she didn't necessarily want to take it from the drainage maintenance fund.
 2:25:39  Yeah.
 2:25:40  If that's an option, why didn't she want to? I don't know if that is an option.
 2:25:43  I was going to say maybe it's not an option. I don't I don't I don't know either. Again, I don't know. It's been so long since I looked at it.
 2:25:48  I'm not sure if that's an option or But uh she she didn't want she said she didn't want to take it from the drainage fund because those are monies that the
 2:25:57  land owners pay as drainage maintenance or ditch maintenance.
 2:26:00  And she didn't think that if there was impending litigation that all of the homeowners should have to pay that if it was not caused by all of the homeowners.
 2:26:11  I think the last time we had a legal issue with a drain, it was paid out of the commissioner's.
 2:26:18  So, we're going to need to change the stuff that we just approved just a minute ago.
 2:26:24  So, she can decide on her own to enter the No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Is the drainage board? Yeah.
 2:26:30  Yeah. I would say she's just the secretary and I was talking to her today about as far as that is that for that.
 2:26:39  And I I told her I said, "You need to let your drainage board decide that." That was not there was no along with the advice of their legal counsel. Not sure.
 2:26:48  Legal legal council.
 2:26:51  Yeah. Okay. So, that's a board of five. Seven. Who is counsel for that board? Who left?
 2:26:59  Who is the counsel for that building? Uh, Mr. P Singer.
 2:27:03  And um and then they have an outside counsel as well for this particular situation that is ongoing.
 2:27:11  Well, I remember your answer your question answered yet. No. No, it wasn't. I guess it is.
 2:27:18  Well, yeah, they probably can't answer it.
 2:27:21  So, I'd like somebody to answer it. Yeah, I really would.
 2:27:25  Yeah. I think that we need to we need to know before we get into legal trouble in 2024, $1,900 2025, $49.65, and we're we're past $18,000 in 2026.
 2:27:39  I mean, somebody's making bad decisions.
 2:27:41  Something's going on somewhere. and and we're sitting in the dark share with them at this point.
 2:27:48  Probably can't share it publicly. So, I think we'll have to do an exact session to your fully aware of.
 2:27:55  Yeah, I'd like to know because I I'm not going to approve I guess I'm
 2:28:03  not going to vote to approve category 3 then.
 2:28:04  Are they going to ask for additional on that? Sounds like it. Well, it depends unless unless they have it out of the commissioner's budget with some kind of rout drainage funds if they can do that maybe. But I don't know.
 2:28:13  I don't know what the rules are with the drainage board. So I I would not want to speculate that. But um uh I guess just the thought if in fact
 2:28:22  they are looking at this kind of cost, why would we not go and approve putting that in the budget now? Because 10 doesn't sound like the right number. It
 2:28:30  may not be enough. I mean it's more you got to come back for next year. Yeah, but I guess I'm hoping between now and
 2:28:38  uh October when we might approve these for personnel that we might have an exact session to know what's going on.
 2:28:45  And does this need to be more than 10 rather than approving it?
 2:28:49  More than 18. We're up to 18 now, right?
 2:28:54  We we do have um there is there is some insurance coverage that will help offset that up to a certain amount, but if it
 2:29:02  goes over that amount, then so when that happens, we still have to pay it first and then we get reimbursed.
 2:29:09  And can you tell from the your ledger where that's been paid from? What what account? What fund is it out of this fund that's been paid?
 2:29:16  I don't even know who it is. The attorney that we've been If you look at this account, you can see this person inside of that account. Oh, you want to know? Yeah. Right.
 2:29:39  There's a chance that maybe we have spent nothing so far.
 2:29:42  We haven't out of this account. So that's if that's been paid, it's been paid somewhere else. Okay.
 2:29:47  That I wouldn't know. Well, she hasn't even submitted them cuz she brought them in. Yeah, we just talked about it today. So, they had submitted yet.
 2:29:56  Okay.
 2:29:57  You recall what account she was looking at?
 2:30:00  I told her I to think we would try to mention it and get ahead of it.
 2:30:08  revisit that account today since you know since today's the day I'm I'm thinking uh I guess I'm looking
 2:30:15  for a motion regarding supplies category 2 for $500 M thank you Mr. Frank thank you Mr.
 2:30:27  Yeah. So, we'll revisit that legal services account.
 2:30:30  Yeah, I think we need to. It sounds like I um Yep. Any other questions or comments? Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I.
 2:30:39  Those oppos same. Motion carries. Thank you.
 2:30:47  All right. And the CCD fund 4% uh increase across the board.
 2:30:57  I think you're seeing the CC CCD 4% increase in what?
 2:31:04  Oh, you're talking lines. I got you.% I thought you were talking about 3% 4% whatever.
 2:31:15  See what the uh when you got sheriff vehicles, what what is that? Is that for like if they go out and buy brand new cars?
 2:31:25  What are we allocating uh four? So would that be like three vehicles pretty much three or four? I thought it was four.
 2:31:33  Like every it's an annual to keep the fleet. Yeah.
 2:31:37  I guess I'm seeing Taho which again I circle back to I don't understand why why we can't have something less expensive and something less gas
 2:31:45  guzzling because this all turns into a vicious circle. We we're buying less fuel efficient vehicles. We're driving them around and so it cost us more and fuel cost more.
 2:31:56  Probably insurance too, right?
 2:31:57  I don't know. But does everybody four-wheel drive? It seems like we're It's costing us so much money buying this way.
 2:32:07  I I don't know. Maybe I'm just on anybody make patrol cars anymore. Dodge.
 2:32:17  I don't think Dodge or Chevrolet. No, this year it was for Dodge.
 2:32:24  Oh, and they made the rest from Durango.
 2:32:27  So, they bought four uh Chevy Tacos this year. Yeah.
 2:32:31  Um and that the 150 was not quite enough to pay for it. They made up the rest through commissary.
 2:32:37  Right. So, 150,000. Yeah. It wasn't enough. But, um so decides they don't have explorers anymore. They don't make explorers anymore.
 2:32:47  pick up the same thing.
 2:32:50  Yeah, those are overpriced. Fairmont got Teslas Traverse.
 2:32:55  Yeah, a Traverse instead of a Tahoe. It's a smaller vehicle.
 2:32:59  I think that would be comparable to your own.
 2:33:01  They got budget then. So, I guess if they if they want three big ones instead of five, that's right.
 2:33:07  The other vehicle line is that for all other county vehicles or
 2:33:16  that fund uh with the budget that's in place here and with the revenue so with it in the equation would show about a $612,000 cash mount. So it's thunderable just a matter.
 2:33:26  Yeah. All right.
 2:33:34  Chair would entertain a motion regarding uh really this entire fund uh which would be a total of $447,200 for categories 2 and categories 4.
 2:33:49  I'll move for approval. All right. Thank you, Mr. McCor. Present.
 2:33:55  So you don't have to thank Mr.
 2:34:02  Whoever is buying one right just like Mr.
 2:34:10  All right. Three really nice vehicles or you have five. You know, it's I guess it's you know, their decision.
 2:34:20  Don't come to us later asking for two more.
 2:34:24  Any uh further comments or questions regarding this? Hearing none. All in favor, please sign by saying I. Those
 2:34:31  opposing sign carries and then I think we might be at your last one, which is the health insurance.
 2:34:39  almost two in the morning. Yeah.
 2:34:46  I don't know. Two minutes. Why not do it? 10 in the morning. Mhm.
 2:34:52  More optic at 8:30, but this is all personal services.
 2:34:56  And I did some analysis of this. You guys jump into preparing for budget. I did some review of the health insurance fund. Had
 2:35:05  conversation with Angie doing that. Uh, I suggested bumping the budget up to
 2:35:11  7,500,000 from 7,3 based on just claims and so forth. I think that's an adequate number based on the trending and what I
 2:35:19  see and we can fund that with keeping the current revenue stream in place. Uh, I
 2:35:27  would u suggest that the expected receipts would be 6,200,000 again in 27 like it is in 26. And that's keeping the
 2:35:37  uh employee contributions the same, keeping the uh the county's contributions from the funds
 2:35:44  as employer share the same as well. I mean, if you wanted to bump up though, you could, but I don't think you need to at this point based on what our
 2:35:51  financial picture looks like. What I would show uh based on the equation gets to that point, June
 2:35:59  30, 26, our cash balance in the fund was just under 6.6 million.
 2:36:04  And I expect to get a little over 3.3 million the last half the year. Spend just under 4 million the last half the
 2:36:11  year to give a expected December 31st 26 cash balance of just under $6 million.
 2:36:17  Okay, just under six. And then in 27 if you bring in the 6.2 million I'm expecting and if you would spend all 7
 2:36:25  million five, which I don't think you'll spend all 7 million five unless something unusual happens, you'd have over 4.6 million still in cash in the
 2:36:32  fund. So, in my mind, you're okay leaving things as they are and as like you put together a spreadsheet that shows where the money would come from
 2:36:41  from the funds and so forth, the revenue. Um, so I would say you leave it leave it as it is. That's my suggestion
 2:36:49  to you. You want to do something different, you can't. Do you guys want to add something to anything you might have heard that's different?
 2:36:55  Um, one line item that uh we have recently found a an amendment in is the wellness incentive line of that $13,650.
 2:37:06  This wellness incentive line is a contractual payment to a company called Wellworks. Wellworks administers our wellness program. If any of you have used that portal, it is not friendly.
 2:37:19  Um, so basically we require our employees to have a physical, two preventative screenings and watch three online videos through this portal.
 2:37:31  Um, it's cumbersome, it's expensive, and they don't pay us anything for that.
 2:37:35  This wellness incentive is what we give a discount on health insurance to our employees if they keep themselves healthy. Um, this company wanted to
 2:37:43  raise our rates $2 per person. That's not per employee, that's per person including spouses. Um, we have decided not to continue with them in the future.
 2:37:57  Um, rather taking that workload of verifying the wellness items internally.
 2:38:02  Use somebody instead or is this we're going to do it internally.
 2:38:05  So you you're saying remove the 13650 but okay if you do that I would say just add it to line one the 6 million 321 make the full budget 7 million5 still.
 2:38:15  There's no reason to shave that budget down for that. We're talking general terms. So, I just wanted it to be accurate. Okay. I appreciate that.
 2:38:23  We just didn't we we didn't see any use.
 2:38:25  I mean, the the like she said, the program is cumbersome. It's it's a pain in the You know what? Um our our
 2:38:32  employees, they're busy enough. They don't need to watch three videos just to do busy work
 2:38:39  and and check the block. And the amount of time that I spend answering questions and sitting through meetings with the
 2:38:47  company um will more than make up the time that I spend administering it in house.
 2:38:56  Is there anything you've heard from our insurance people that that would change this comment?
 2:39:02  They feel the same way we do. Um cuz I had a brief conversation with our broker about this item and he said, "I'm so
 2:39:11  glad you feel that way. They don't they don't like dealing with them anymore." But in terms Okay, forget that item. That's the big picture. That's this big.
 2:39:19  Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You're talking in terms of from a claims history standpoint. We
 2:39:26  have reduced um a couple of our higher
 2:39:32  spenders due to retirement or not retirement, aging out turning 65. Um so
 2:39:41  not saying that those won't be replaced by someone who is going to have higher claim amounts. I there's no way to know
 2:39:49  that. Um but I would say at least in the near future we're going to see a little relief on that.
 2:39:56  Well, our our claims uh looking at first half of 26 and project that for the last half of 26 like a 3 and 12% increase which is not
 2:40:05  bad. It's pretty good really. Um so what I use is a 4% increase in the budget to make it 7.5. And like I say our revenue
 2:40:13  piece and the cash balance structure we have is adequate to fund that. Even if we had to spend the whole 7.5 million, it would it would take care of us. But
 2:40:21  uh I don't think we based on history, we shouldn't have to spend that much. I mean, obviously, I can't guarantee it.
 2:40:26  It shouldn't be that much, but we should be able to absorb what we're doing with stand with current. And we'll review our stop-loss carrier.
 2:40:34  Um so, they do something called a laser for someone who is a higher claimant. Um where they set their stop loss threshold
 2:40:42  higher. um as of last year um we managed that with the carrier that we chose and
 2:40:50  that's something we can do again to make sure that our stop loss will kick in earlier on the higher clims.
 2:40:56  You can see from the sheet that Angie has put together for us shows um where the source of the 6.2 2 million would come from the various funds and part of
 2:41:05  that's employee withholdings which is 150,000 the total retirees 20,000 stop loss 100,000 and miscellaneous things
 2:41:13  that just take place out in year $300,000. So um the 6.2 million is funded by those sources
 2:41:23  and we'll get to this when we get to the seated fund later. I'm suggesting the same amount there, the one at 886 that
 2:41:30  we have been using last year in 26. So any you guys any questions for me as far
 2:41:37  as how I got those numbers or so so increases from the 4%. Yeah,
 2:41:45  claims expense history. I see it go up a little bit, but again, we have enough in our cash reserves to absorb that without increasing what our funds pay.
 2:41:56  Um, you can always say, well, let's put a little more than we had we have been.
 2:42:00  I'm just saying you don't have to at this point. You can let it ride. I think
 2:42:13  I did the same kind of analysis this year that I've done for how many years now on the same thing. I said I feel good about that. You just never know about the unknown, of course, the
 2:42:22  crystal ball, but we should be in good shape.
 2:42:27  I can uh entertain a motion going to health insurance fund 5200 amount of 7.5 million total
 2:42:37  that's right for 13650 but add it to line that's the total of 7.5 would still be there and that would incor the motion
 2:42:46  should approve this budget and also the funding stream that we've put in place of 6.2 2 million keeping the uh per
 2:42:55  employee cost per employer the same and employee withholdings the same. All that's encompassed in that whole scenario. So
 2:43:16  you still looking for a motion? Yes, sir. All right. Thank you, Mr. Kado.
 2:43:23  Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Scott.
 2:43:31  Any questions or comments?
 2:43:35  None. All in favor, please signify by saying I. And those oppos same time. Motion carries.
 2:43:47  All right. Thank you, gentlemen. All right. Thank you.
 2:43:55  it before the commissioner. Yeah.
 2:44:07  The last one. Am I the last one? Yeah. You're the last one. Yeah.
 2:44:17  I was going to be running the meeting anyway. on that. So that's all right.
 2:44:24  All right. Jo, you just want me to start from the top then. Okay. So I will I will make a comment on the salary piece.
 2:44:34  So on the I overall I mean I I meant to put a 3 to
 2:44:40  4% increase just for cost of living. Um I used the uh data s data processing salary comparison.
 2:44:50  I uh calculated it all in there and I copy and pasted that to the requested budget.
 2:44:59  That looks like that's somehow less than the 2026 adopted budget. So I don't know if that's part of that.
 2:45:06  It's because of the extra Oh yeah. Yeah. I remember uh he had a question about that. Yeah. So, I just want to make a comment on that. I know
 2:45:15  you gentlemen aren't going to act or comment on that. I just wanted to uh bring that up.
 2:45:22  All right. So, the the first item um was contractual services. Um I I apologize
 2:45:30  for the sticker shock on that. I uh was still waiting for uh my numbers and stuff and my vendors. So, I shot it high
 2:45:39  so that way we can bring it back uh back down lower. Um so, uh for contractual
 2:45:45  services, I put a uh $30,000 uh increase.
 2:45:51  Um, and that's basically uh to accommodate for uh some uh services that
 2:46:00  um we initially we bought a couple years ago that were bundled in a 5year plan back in 22 2022 for our data center
 2:46:09  project and those are now going to be outside that 5year. So now we're going to be paying annually for them. So the
 2:46:18  uh you say data center it's different than Yeah. Not not not the AI.
 2:46:24  Like I said, I'm not I'm not too happy with them right now. It's they they foiled my plans a little bit for next
 2:46:31  year. So, I'll get into that once we uh get to the equipment side. But yeah, so
 2:46:37  um it was uh to account for uh $6,000 for our Cronis Cyber Protect backup.
 2:46:44  That's our primary backup software. It backs up all our servers.
 2:46:49  Um the other one was uh 40k uh plus for our firewall. Um it was uh 5200 is what
 2:46:58  they uh gave me an estimate on it. And then for the switches that were bundled with it, it was 3500.
 2:47:07  So, I mean, I could probably get it through it with uh 220,000,
 2:47:15  but I just left it at 230 just to have a buffer in there cuz we also have vendors that um help us with our firewall.
 2:47:26  You're talking about the account that shows us 300,000. Now, you want to make it 230,000 is what you want to do.
 2:47:31  Well, it wasn't ever 200. It wasn't ever 300,000 on our budget sheet. Yeah. I a Yeah, I requested it because I was still uh figuring out my understand it's 230.
 2:47:42  Yes, correct. Yeah, correct. Yeah, like I said, no, it was it was never going to be that high.
 2:47:49  I I highalled it so I could Okay.
 2:47:52  Yeah. All right. Yeah, some Oh, yeah. Like I said, I I I tried to give you a heads up. So, 230 is
 2:48:00  Yeah, 230 is what I'm asking for on that. So, um what about the security software? the security software. So, um
 2:48:09  if you want to talk about that item. So, it's going from 20,000 to 50,000.
 2:48:14  Correct. So, um the reason why we over the years we've been able to bring that down is the state IoT had uh offered us
 2:48:23  um Crowd Strike, our anti virus endpoint uh threat protection software. They offer that for free at no cost to the
 2:48:32  county. So over the years I've been able to lower that down uh back in 2024.
 2:48:40  I believe at what we did have it at 50,000.
 2:48:44  So over the years I was able to get it down to 20. But now that they're they're
 2:48:50  having funding cuts and stuff there and now they can they can't do it for free.
 2:48:56  They have to do it at a heavily discounted rate. So, for us to keep
 2:49:03  crowd strike, it was uh 19,000 uh and I I rounded it up to 20.
 2:49:11  So, um yeah. So, I just had that set to uh 50, but I could probably get away
 2:49:19  with 40,000 on that one on that on that particular state. 40. Correct. Yes.
 2:49:27  because I was still waiting for them cuz the state was still negotiating price and going to the crowd strike and the FTR maintenance.
 2:49:35  Yeah. So, uh this one I am I am wanting to do a project next year to upgrade the
 2:49:43  chords audio software. Um as you gentlemen know, we updated the Zoom uh software for the video conferencing. So,
 2:49:52  uh, back in 2015, 2016, um, uh, that's when a lot of that
 2:49:59  equipment was installed brand new. So, it's, uh, little over 10 years old. And,
 2:50:06  uh, Superior Court 2, they actually had their system go down at one point this year. So, I had to eat some money out of my equipment to, uh, get that replaced.
 2:50:19  Um, so basically I had Forte, I had them get a 12 of how much it would be to
 2:50:26  update all the audio systems for the four remaining courtrooms and also upgrade the assisted listening devices for the course.
 2:50:36  So should that be equipment instead of this maintenance? I mean I mean we can I mean what what does it make sense for to be are you buying a piece of
 2:50:44  equipment or are you looking to Well, it's equipment and services. So, it's all tied into the FTR like the core recording software. So, that that was kind of my thought putting it in there.
 2:50:55  I mean, equipment probably could work for it, but it didn't really matter too much. I just want to make sure we have the right accent. So, yeah. So, I mean, that was my thought
 2:51:02  process on it. Um, so you got one quote?
 2:51:06  Yeah, I just got one quote for now, but obviously next year when I go to do it, I would have to get three different quotes, so it could be cheaper. And I
 2:51:13  told them to kind of have a buffer in there for them. So it probably is inflated a little bit because it's for next year.
 2:51:24  So what do you want that account to be at this point?
 2:51:27  I mean I would be uh comfortable with the 70. Um the other thing you want to keep it at 70%.
 2:51:34  Yes. For the FTR maintenance if that's the one that we're that's correct. I I would like to keep it at that. Um that
 2:51:41  being said, the other thing we could um strictly for the courts that difference I think you're probably doing is really a court. Yes, it's strictly for the courts.
 2:51:49  Correct.
 2:51:50  And uh the one other thing we would uh I would go I would try to go for um with your gentleman's permission would be um the court reform grant.
 2:52:01  So I know we did that in the past and they were able to cover some costs but not all of it. Um, so I I work with
 2:52:11  Chris Cunningham. He's the the brand guru. So I mean that's something that could also help maybe shave off 20 30,000 from that.
 2:52:21  Then I don't have to spend that money.
 2:52:24  So um that was the other thing I was kind of looking at doing to do that. So I probably won't spend all that, but
 2:52:32  obviously the court reform grant is not a it's not a guarantee, right? So, and you're looking what you're talking
 2:52:40  about replacing equipment that's like 10 years old. So, I mean actually that's probably I mean we can I mean you could
 2:52:47  let it ride and and we just place it as it goes but I just with it being the courts and you spoke to the judges
 2:52:54  because I seems like maybe like judicial center and some other avenues there may be grant opportunities to pay for stuff
 2:53:02  like this. I I I have not Chris, he's kind of my gateway into that cuz I know he works with the courts a lot. So I
 2:53:10  mean through Chris, he's the one I found out about the court reform grant.
 2:53:15  Um so yeah, so that was that was my thought process behind that one.
 2:53:21  Um what about the equipment? That's a big one.
 2:53:24  Yeah, the equipment once again that's I'm I'm keeping it the same as uh last year. So, it's not really uh 300,000.
 2:53:33  It's 350 on our paper, right? Yeah. 350. Yeah. It's it once again, that was bloated numbers cuz I was still getting pricing from you.
 2:53:44  What?
 2:53:44  Yeah. I want it to be the same as what it was uh this year. So, I'm not changing that. All right. It's 212,000.
 2:53:50  Correct. So, initially I was going to go and get our uh data our servers refreshed cuz they're coming up on 5 years.
 2:54:00  But um the AI data centers have um made the component market very volatile and
 2:54:09  the cost of equipment has doubled in some cases. Uh back in June I had our vendor give me an estimate just to kind
 2:54:18  of give us a one for one of our current setup. So it's not any faster, not any better. It's just newer and would get support. it was um $450,27.
 2:54:32  And back when we did it in 2022, it was a little over $300,000. And that also included
 2:54:39  um switches and firewall and all the maintenance and work to install it. So, um cleaners.
 2:54:49  Yeah, somebody clean it. Um, so it's it's a little bit of a sticker
 2:54:56  shock. And this was back in June or July when I when I put that in when I got that. And I've heard it's went up since
 2:55:04  then. And supposedly there's going to be another increase in server equipment here in the next month or two.
 2:55:13  So, I was advised by my vendors basically just to wait and they recommended um
 2:55:21  uh let me see if I can pull that up. He uh he basically recommended they uh they
 2:55:28  have a 2-year software extension for scale. Um and that was uh a little over 67,000.
 2:55:40  And um then for the hardware it was only about 3,000 for it to get it covered. So you're good with the 212,000.
 2:55:50  Correct. Yeah. So basically in that 212,000 I had it set up to where it it had the lease payment. So we just paid
 2:55:59  that final lease payment this year. So, next year I'll be able to use those funds to put towards the 2-year
 2:56:08  agreement and we'll be locked in. So, that way the price won't go up on the support for next 2 years. So, give us a 2-year extension on it.
 2:56:18  So, that way we're it'll buy us time to see what the hopefully the market they come out of it and stuff gets better. that that's my
 2:56:27  hope is that it will but obviously it's it's kind of harder to tell but so that that
 2:56:35  was my thought process on equip my equipment while I all right then so I think uh chair would
 2:56:44  entertain a motion regarding other services and charges category 3 and I think that total would then be 383500
 2:56:51  and then uh the equipment uh category 4 would be 212,000 All right. Thank you, Mr. McCord.
 2:57:01  Second. Thank you, Mr.
 2:57:04  Any other questions or comments from the council. Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying I.
 2:57:12  Those opposed same sign. Motion carries.
 2:57:15  Thank you. All right. Thanks again, gentlemen. Appreciate your time.
 2:57:21  Yeah. I I apologize again for the sacred shock and uh what we'll do is just uh recess until uh
 2:57:30  August the 26 at 6:00 and we will be going to court
 2:57:43  signing