OurWeek The Grant County Record in Grant County · Meeting 8 · 2026-08-05 · full transcript https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AQVlZkdGNo Exported Fri, 14 Aug 2026 22:36:48 GMT Source: YouTube automatic captions from the county's recording, complete: 0:00 to 1:27:42. Copied into the combined index from the data-center-hearings-indexed report; same text, key prefixed by body. These transcripts are machine-generated. They garble proper nouns badly — company and personal names especially. Watch the recording before repeating any name, number, or quotation. The video is the record. ============================================================================== Indexed at https://ourweek.in/grant-county/reports/grant-county-record 0:00 Okay. Are we [clears throat] good to go? [laughter] Okay. We will bring uh this area plan 0:16 commission data sub data center subcommittee meeting to order. Um I I want to apologize for a few um inconveniences we may deal with tonight. 0:27 Our executive director, Mr. glance he had a family emergency so he's not able to be here so I will do my best you know to conduct the meeting uh without him 0:37 typically we would have agendas on the table and we would have um copies of the subcommittee ordinance draft for everyone to look at I apologize that but 0:47 those won't be available this evening uh but we'll do the best that we can so with that being said if you would please stand and join me the pledge of 0:56 allegiance I aliance to the flag of the United States of America [clears throat] and to the republic for which it stands. 1:07 One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So, as far as roll call goes, it looks like we have everybody but Kale Grindle. 1:23 So I will make note that Kale is with us. Okay. Again I want to thank everyone for coming. This is a subcommittee meeting 1:35 to review a data center ordinance draft. This is a voluntary committee. No one up here is getting paid to serve on this committee. The subcommittee is composed 1:46 of three community members. Molly Early, Bud Shelton, and Nolan Holloway. And it's con composed of four APC members be Ed Hartman, Gary Duckwall. 2:01 Uh Kale Grindle's not with us, and myself, Randy Atkins. The subcommittee decisions are non-binding. We're simply a a recommending body to the Grant 2:11 County Area Planning Commission. Our goal is to review the ordinance draft by section or by page, honor community input and discussion, and revise the 2:21 draft if needed. Um, I typically would say that we're going to target the meeting to end at 8. I'm going to shoot the I'll shoot the goal out there of 2:31 finishing it tonight. And I know you guys are saying, "Oh, yeah, we got past five pages and there's seven left." Well, I've got a surprise for you that's 2:37 coming up. So, we'll see how that goes. This is our seventh subcommittee data center ordinance draft meeting, public review and discussion meeting. The page 2:48 the draft is 37 pages. We are ready to start at the top of page 31 number six and it's community integration. If you have not attended all the meetings, you 3:01 are encouraged to watch the meetings you have missed on the Grant County YouTube site. The meetings prior to this one were May 28th, May 27th, June 10th, June 3:13 24th, July 22nd, and July 29th. Uh we will uh schedule another subcommittee meeting if necessary. I I will recommend that once the revisions 3:28 that this subcommittee and the community have um provided to us, once those are put into a form or a draft, we will have one final subcommittee meeting for us to 3:39 review the accuracy of what we feel that that particular document holds based on the discussions that we had before it goes to the Grant County Area Planning 3:48 Commission. So, I'm I'm guessing there'll be at least at least one more subcommittee meeting. We ask that you come to the podium and state your name 3:56 and sign the sheet uh with your name and address. We ask you keep comments specific to the section being discussed and please be respectful of others who 4:07 may choose to share as well. Comments not relevant to the ordinance draft that we are discussing at that time can be made during the agenda item number six 4:17 which is public input at the end of u the review of the draft. Once we have reviewed and discussed the ordinance and made revisions, if needed, 4:26 it will be presented to the APC in a public hearing for their review and recommendation. Upon receipt of any APC recommendation, the data center 4:35 ordinance will be presented to the commissioners for their final approval. So, those are the guidelines that we're going to try and follow this evening. 4:42 [clears throat] So, with that being said, I'm going to put a sheet of paper up there on the podium and a pencil and we will start 4:51 subcommittee members with number six on page 31. So, if you would please review that and then we'll open it up for comments. 5:06 Thank you. [snorts] Um I think the online 2 developer should be added here just because it could be 5:21 develop it could be abandoned during development. Okay. Um so this one reads uh upon abandonment 5:30 discontinuation, irreparable damage or declaration as a public nuisance the owner and or operator and we typically are trying to engage the developer as 5:40 well. shall remove all physical materials pertaining to the data center above ground level and all improvements below ground level unless the county 5:50 specifically approves in writing that certain below ground facilities may retain without harm to future land use drainage or environmental conditions. I 6:00 know that's a mouthful, but that's the one that we're looking at right now. And Molly has suggested that we add the developer to that. Everybody okay with 6:08 that? Yeah. and the county specifically approves in writing. Who's that? Okay. Um, 6:15 should I go back to BCA or APC? Thoughts on that, Ed? I think it could kind of choose either. What do you think? 6:26 BCA or APC? Yeah, it's kind Well, if it's a code enforcement issue, 6:32 it should go to the APC or the code enforcement, right? Yeah. 6:36 You want to go APC? Yeah. All right. So, we're going to go to the Grant County APC and that is 1 2 3 line 6:43 four. Correct. Yes. Our notes are going to have to be really good, guys, cuz we don't have Todd as 6:48 our secretary tonight to make those notes. Be able to read everybody's chicken scratches. 6:54 That's right. All right. Anything else on number six? Here's a question. Okay. In other areas of the ordinance, we have 7:09 put that the land if during a decommissioning that the land must go back to original state. 7:18 Mhm. This says that if the if the APC is going to can approve in writing that below ground facilities may remain, 7:28 you can't have it either or if having them put it back to original state. They can't leave. Have you read Libertton yet? 7:34 I have not got that far. No. Okay. So, that would then apply if if if it was already zoned high industrial, [snorts] they 7:48 could leave an underground portion. But if it was zoned agricultural pre-development, then it has to return 7:59 to agricultural. So, you're saying anything underneath the ground? Well, that's my question, right? If 8:08 we're going to say it has to go back to original state and originally there was nothing underground, then they should have to 8:16 remove whatever's underground, right? I think it's covering that in number 10. Right. Number 10 says, "Where the site 8:24 consists of agricultural land, former agricultural land or other land where soil productivity is a relevant concern, the owner and operator shall remediate 8:33 the land to its original or better physical condition and fertility based upon preconstruction soil testing paid for by the developer and performed by a 8:43 qualified professional acceptable to the county." So I think what we're saying is that egg land must be returned to its productive state originally. 8:53 Molly's question is are there other areas where it's not going to be okay to leave underground stuff in like underground tanks chemical 9:04 holdings. Correct. Stuff like that. I don't think if they've got an 9:09 underground storage of underground tank should be probably removed. Correct. And it does say unless the 9:18 Grant County APC specifically approves in writing that certain below ground. So it is under the jurisdiction of APC code enforcement as 9:27 to whether there's anything left there or not. So are are we comfortable that we've got things covered? Yes. 9:33 Okay. I am. All right. So let's go to seven. All equipment, parts, wiring, conduits, 9:42 concrete pads, fencing, batteries, transformers, generators, cooling system, fuels, hazardous materials, and other project related improvements 9:51 required to be removed under this section shall be law shall be lawfully removed, recycled when required or reasonably feasible, and disposed of in 10:01 accordance with applicable law. paid for by Okay. owner, [clears throat] 10:11 operator, or developer. Everybody okay with that? Yes. Anything else on seven? 10:28 I'm good. I'm good. Everybody good? Yes. All right. Here we go. Number eight. All 10:39 decommissioning, recycling, and site restoration shall be completed within 365 days after abandonment, discontinuation, 10:49 or declaration as a public nuisance unless the county approves a different schedule in writing for good cause shown. It 10:57 should be Greg County APC. Yep. We good with it as it reads? I think you should insert after the on 11:09 the first line after the word shall. It shall begin within 180 days and and then it goes on to say be completed within 365 days. 11:23 Shall be you want them working on it at 180 days. Yeah. at the latest 11:30 180 days. Okay. She'll begin no later than 180 days and end within 360. Yep. 11:38 Five or whatever. Everybody good with that? Good. And be completed within. 11:45 Anything else on 8? Do we need to add since we're adding begin no later than 180 days and be and sh and shall be completed 11:57 within 365 days from date of decommission decommissioning. So that way they don't say 12:08 well we started it on this date within you know at we started on day 180 and now we have a whole year from that. Do we want them completely done within a 12:18 year or are we willing to give them some wiggle room and say if they start on day 180, they still have a year after that start date. 12:26 Are we good with from the date of decommissioning? [snorts] From day number one. 12:34 That's that's what I'm asking. Like do we want from day one of decommissioning or day one when they actually start? I think day one 12:43 of decommissioning. Yes. which is how it reads. Does that make sense? Yeah. 12:50 Anything else on eight? Number nine. Site restoration shall return to the site to the original or better condition 13:02 existing before project development, including regrading, stabilization, drainage restoration, and restoration of usable 13:11 land condition. Good with that. Good. Yeah. 13:20 Yes. Okay. Nine's good. Number 10. Where the site consists of 13:30 agricultural land, former agricultural land, or other land where soil productivity is a relevant concern, the owner and operator shall remediate the 13:40 land to its original or better physical condition and fertility based upon preconstruction soil testing paid for by the developer and performed by a 13:51 qualified professional acceptable to the county. Um developer should be added online too. Owner operator developer. 14:05 I think owner operator should also be added online for where it says developer. Okay. 14:12 Now who are we going to make that acceptable to? What county agency? ABC. APC. 14:23 Okay. APC second goal to Grant County APC. Okay. On the last line. 14:31 Yes. Okay. [clears throat] 11. Number 11. If trees or other natural 14:44 features were removed in anticipation of the project, the county may require replanting or other restoration measures as part of the approved site restoration 14:55 plan. Um, it should be Grant County APC again. And I think that that may should be put to a shell 15:10 or just taken out completely. Grant County APC requires replanting. We better leave that shell in there for Kale since he's not here. Okay, 15:20 [laughter] we'll move that to Shall. And uh does anyone object of after replanting adding three little words of native species? 15:38 [snorts] Of native species. Yes. Cuz we don't want um we don't want to zoo planted. 15:48 Yes. [laughter] Okay. Everybody go to 11. Okay. Number 12. If any portion of the facility is found to be hazardous in 16:00 nature by county, state or federal regulatory agencies or must be removed and replaced by law, the owner and operator shall remove and remediate such 16:10 materials in the manner prescribed by applicable law. Developer. Add developer. [laughter] Okay. 16:27 Anything else on number 12? [snorts] Good. Good. We're good. Okay. Before we move to number three, which is identification, removal of 16:38 hazardous materials, I'm going to give the public the opportunity to make any comments to what we've just discussed. Dennis Carter Wheeling Bike Fairmont. 16:55 I don't have a problem with this section. Anything you got to have said about it here, but how are you going to do it? 17:03 Because if they put 10 or 15 or 20 acres under roof with a foot of concrete, do you really think they're going to clean it up? 17:13 I don't. I think they'll take their equipment out and then yes, they got a bond, but bond ain't even going to begin to cover the cost of taking that 17:23 building down and cleaning up all and add to that, they're going to carve all that top soil away if it's farm ground. You ain't never going to see that farm 17:31 ground or that top soil again. I don't have a problem with what you got, but how are you going to do it? I I just don't understand. If you let them 17:39 come in here and you let them go into an agricultural situation, that ground will never be agricultural again. It just won't. 17:49 And that's something that we've just got to face. I mean, that's just going to be the case. It's going to be either a vacant building or a 17:57 building that the county is going to try to encourage somebody else to go into and use because once it's lost, it's lost. 18:07 Thank you. Any comments to that subcommittee members? I I would say that I agree with what 18:15 you're saying and we could look around and see buildings abandoned in the past in our county. Um, and it is a problem especially if the if 18:26 the company uh ceases to exist when they pull out. Yeah. you know, they sometimes just give the building to the county. There you 18:37 go. There you go. But if it does exist and it does uh continue on, it does give us leverage for some sort of restitution. 18:47 Yeah. If you can find them. True. I mean, if they're still if 18:53 they're still in business. I just I mean, like I said, I don't disagree with what you've got here and and it should be done that way, but I just don't see 19:02 how under the sun it could it'll ever happen. Yeah. I mean, they're going to lose their decommissioning bond, 19:08 which will never cover what they probably covering. Yeah. Which and even if you if they take that top soil, we talked about a 20ft 19:17 barrier around the site. Even if they put that 20 ft back, I mean, it's not going to be like it was before. Thank you. 19:27 Is a million dollar bond enough? Probably about one and a half cost. I can't remember. Did we require two separate bonds then 19:37 in here? Did we require a bond for while they're operational and a separate bond for decommissioning? 19:45 I thought we had the decommissioning bond separate. We did that again. You think we need to raise that? Something to think about. 19:58 Yes, I think we need to put a question mark by that whenever we come back after, you know, review it once everything we've been through. 20:04 Yeah, I absolutely agree with him. Um, once that land is disturbed, it's never going to go back to the same. You know, my humble opinion is is I 20:15 don't want them here at all. Yeah, the notes for that reflect that we need to explore the decommissioning bond. 20:22 Yeah. [clears throat] Okay. On the first page is that we we basically accept a a level that we 20:31 feel is sufficient for the bond. Yes. Yeah. The service performance all bonded 20:37 obligation. So uh we didn't specify amount there on on that page anyway. 20:47 And I know the definitions. Yeah, you don't have a decommissioning. I don't think that's in the definition. 20:58 No, let's make a note of that. And I think a decommissioning bond needs to be minimum of 10 million. Probably not 21:13 feasible, but Michael Michael Duke Grant County um uh the gentleman's question or comments was 21:23 looking at the back end which is he's val perfectly what he's saying but I I think in terms of up here on the front end as 21:34 you're working to structure an ordinance for Grand County is that you're setting the the criteria 21:44 for managing and controlling a location of a dentist, a data center in our county boundaries to be very high. You're setting the bar very high 21:58 and stringent so as to let's say [snorts] give the potential developer the 22:08 opportunity to set contemplate exercise their gray matter and decide if the bar is so high that they just need to go someplace else 22:21 that that's how I conceive the the different requirements that you are building into into the ordinance. Yeah, I think our ultimate goal is just 22:32 to protect the uh the residents of Grant County from having the burden of the financial burden and and any impact that this may have on them. I think that's 22:39 what our role and obligation is is to do that. Yeah. During operation and decommissioning. 22:44 Yeah. Okay. Any other comments? Community members? Cynthia Weir and I'm from Huntington County. 23:03 Um, but I would say to number 12, um, we keep that bar exceptionally high in Grant County. So they go someplace else because we have to remember that 23:16 any federal regulatory agencies or state have been weakened in the past 2 years and we don't know where those regulatory agencies are 23:28 going to be in protecting the environment in protecting our citizens. It's been basically opened up and I would caution you highly to depend on 23:39 any federal regulatory or state at this point. So we'll cover it for ourselves. Absolutely. 23:47 Thank you, Cynthia. So we're going to make note of that wet land Molly that you were concerned about. Yes. 23:54 Okay. I'm I'm kind of making some notes here of some things that we need to look into. Any other community comments? All right. We will move to number three 24:04 at the bottom of page 31 identification removal of hazardous materials. So number 13 states during any construction, removal, recycling, or 24:18 restoration activity, the owner and operator shall identify all hazardous materials as regulated by local, state, and federal agencies as well as 24:28 non-hazardous materials and shall indicate the appropriate handling, storage, transport, recycling, and disposal methods of such materials. 24:38 Um [clears throat] had developer owner operator and developer. Okay. 24:46 Cuz it includes construction in that first line. Anything else? And I'm sure that Todd's going to fix 24:56 cuz these are a lot of long sentences. Yeah, we've we've noted that. Yeah, I can't remember if we left or not. 25:05 There's only like two periods. Yeah, we will. That's That's what AI does for you. Attorney talk. 25:11 Yes. Anything else on 13? Um, it's been a long time since I've had to 25:18 deal with any kind of OSHA regulations or anything like that, but I am assuming that we do not need to put in our ordinance that 25:27 hazardous materials um, sheets would be kept. MSDS. Yes, thank you. That's the word I was 25:35 looking for. MSDS sheets. Do they need to provide those with the application? They'll have to have Well, you I would I 25:42 would want them with the application. They'll have them on site when they when they're operating, right? Did we are we have we is that 25:51 another note we need to make for the application sheets must be provided with application? Yeah. 26:06 Okay. Anything else on number 13 under number three? I'm good. Um, yeah. Okay. [clears throat] 26:22 We good? Um, yes. Hearing 26:34 none, we'll move to number four, performance guarantee, which is number 14. Prior to issuance of any improvement 26:42 location permit, the applicant shall provide the county with a performance guarantee in the form of a bond, irrevocable letter of credit, which 26:52 we're taking out. Correct. Irrevocable credit is automatically removed. Taking that out, 26:56 and other financial security we're taking. So, it's going to be bond only. acceptable to the county? What agency? 27:06 Um, APC, BZA? Is it not the council since they would handle the money? 27:17 That's a good question. Any thoughts on that, Ed? Maybe the commissioners. The commissioners. 27:25 Let's put the commissioners. Let's put the commissioners in there. And that should be online, too. the Grant County Commissioners. 27:38 Okay. Okay. So, we've taken out irreocable letter of credit or other financial security acceptable to the county. We've 27:50 taken that out and an amount equal to 150% [clears throat] of the estimated cost of decommissioning, 27:58 recycling and site restoration including complete return of the land to preconstruction condition or better. So the question becomes where are we going 28:08 to come up with 150%. What basis is that going to be? have an engineering study, right, of the estimated cost 28:18 of decommissioning done by an engineering company approved through. 28:30 So, we're going to start a new sentence. stolen [laughter] cost prior to acceptance of bond 28:42 an engineering study conducted by an engineering. Yeah. Of the county's choice. 28:56 Yes. Okay. Anything else there? Molly, you have to write better than me so Todd can read yours. [clears throat] 29:15 Um, who's choosing that? Are we putting that back on the commissioners or are we putting that on the APC? or 29:25 I I be on the zone, wouldn't it? Would it? Or zoning board. Yeah. Along with the improvement 29:32 location permit that would go to APC connected by an engineering firm of [clears throat] choice 29:42 by Grant County APC. Okay. A certified engineering firm. Y I'll make that note. a certified 29:54 engineering firm. [clears throat] Okay, we good with 14? Yeah. Number 15. The amount of the 30:08 performance guarantee shall be established to account for anticipated future increases in the cost of decommissioning, recycling, and site 30:16 restoration. The estimated cost shall not take into account any salvage value and shall be determined by a licensed engineer which ain't there showed up 30:27 or other qualified professionally acceptable to the county. Okay. So, we've kind of got that there. All right. 30:35 Yeah. Anything else on 15? Um just Grant County APC. Okay. 30:41 At the very end there. All right. Number 16. Unless otherwise agreed to by the county every 5 years or upon request 30:53 of the area plan commission, executive director or county commissioners, a new engineer's estimate of the probable cost of decommissioning, recycling, and site 31:03 restoration shall be submitted. And the bond irrevocable letter of credit we're taking out or other financial other financial security shall be 31:13 adjusted upward or downward as necessary. I like that. Um I think it should not be adjusted downward. 31:22 Okay. Um that's just because during a decommissioning uh unforeseen costs are going to arise 31:30 and if they've taken money away from it, we have no way to recoup that. Yes. So just upward upward as necessary. It cannot go down. 31:40 It can only go up. You can adjust it upward. Good job. As necessary. [laughter] Um, and I also 31:47 think it shouldn't be every 5 years. Um, as been proven by other sites currently developing and they're adding more buildings and permits 31:59 quicker than every 5 years. Um, two, I would be comfortable with two. Okay. Anything else on 16? 32:18 just [snorts] add Grant County in front of all of the boards listed. Um, you could probably do it one time and it would be fine. 32:29 [clears throat] Moving to 17. A new estimate shall also be submitted prior to the sale or transfer of any substantial portion of 32:38 the facility and the performance guarantee shall be adjusted as necessary and incorporated into the transfer or sale documentation where applicable. 32:50 So what that is saying is if they decide they want to sell it, they have to provide a new estimate of cost regardless if it's that two years 33:01 or not. And that has to be included that new company has to take over that. Correct. And that's a shelf. 33:10 Yes. Yes. And the u the decommissioning bond and other such things should be transferred prior 33:20 to sale the siege. Yeah. I had that. 33:27 So all those bonds should be qualified prior Mhm. to sale. 33:35 Bonds shall be qualified prior to sale. Okay. Anything else on 17? Did you put shall in there? Yes, I put shall bond shall be qualified 33:54 prior to sale. I was waiting. [laughter] Okay. [gasps] Poor Kale. 34:00 All right. Number 18. All expenses involved in decommissioning, recycling, and site restoration shall be paid by the owner and operator 34:12 or developer or developer. [clears throat] Or the work may be completed by the 34:18 county at the owners and operator's expense as provided in the decommissioning, recycling, and site restoration plan and agreement after any 34:28 required court order. um expenses. I think developer needs to be added again to that second portion on the 34:36 third line there. Grant County in Grant County, but [clears throat] 34:44 are we attaching that to a specific or leaving that general because it I think it should be left general, 34:57 right? Cuz that's not good. Yeah. Left journal or the APC. What? Yeah. Should we leave it open-ended like 35:18 that? H I guess who is going to be in charge 35:38 of making sure that if they don't do these things then the county is going to take it out of that bond. Who's in charge of who? We've already said the 35:46 APC is in charge of that. So this then refers back to that as well and should be directly to the APC. I agree. 35:55 I think that makes sense. Does everyone agree? Yes. [clears throat] 36:01 Now, do we need to put in here since we have the line after any required court order? I'm assuming I shouldn't, but that 36:12 they would have to pay our legal and court fees as well to recoup that. I think that's what it's saying, isn't it? Is that what it's saying? 36:21 Well, it just says court order. Yeah. All expenses. Yeah. I think all expenses 36:28 maybe it's worded maybe it needs worded differently, but maybe you know all expenses may be including 36:37 legal fees. Yeah, I agree. Any 36:44 legal fees acquired during a court order? Yes. Okay. 36:50 All right. Anything else on 18? Good. Number 19. Any [clears throat] costs not paid by the owner operator may be 36:58 assessed as a lean upon the real estate where the facility is located to the extent permitted by law. Developer. 37:06 And Yep. Developer. So, here's my question with this, [cough and clears throat] and this is going to come back around to 37:20 to a comment made earlier. If they've up and gone, and they're just letting us take care of all of it, correct? 37:31 A lean on the real estate is not going to do us a darn bit of good. How do we can we Yeah, I am not 37:43 legally ease educated. So, does that [snorts] need to be a lean placed upon the actual business, 37:55 their assets? Is that legal to do? I don't know that you could you could do that. It could be that the fac the facility does have some value 38:05 possibly. Yeah. But if they're gone and they don't care about selling it. I mean, I'm thinking of example is like the Dana 38:13 building, right? Dana's gone out of the picture. $3 million in back taxes. They don't care and no decommissioning bond. 38:22 And no decommissioning bond, right? The lean will protect us kind of from the difference in the bond, what we could get out of the value of 38:31 the place if it was sold. I'm not saying the lean is bad. I'm saying, do we need to add an additional aspect? 38:41 I mean, cuz let's face it, right? If I don't pay my taxes, my wages get garnished. That's my assets, right? 38:50 Maybe make a note to see the council. That would be Yeah, let's do that. I'll seat counseling number 19. Yeah. On additional appropriations. 39:01 I think that'd be a good question for an attorney. Do you agree? Yeah, I think we can ask him that. He's going to say, "Well, you know, you may 39:10 not have a problem if you're decommissioning on pay for everything." But if for some reason that doesn't, then you've got that cost, 39:24 right, incurred. This gives you some sort of control also to who they sell it to depending on how 39:31 much money you put Yeah. towards that. um they could deter them from just giving it to somebody or their friend or whoever 39:40 giving it away to help. Okay, we're going to open it up to the public on number four, performance guarantee. 39:49 Anybody has any comments? All right, hearing none. Any other comments, commission members, before we go on to number five, written notice and 40:02 opportunity to cure. Okay, good. Number 20. Under written notice and opportunity to cure. Prior to implementation of any county remedy for 40:16 failure to decommission or restore the site pursuant in this section, the county commissioner shall provide written notice to the owner and operator 40:25 setting forth the alleged default or failure. Any thoughts on that? grant. 40:39 Yeah, just grant in front of both counties. Um, we are not saying when we will provide 40:50 that written notice. Well, prior to the implementation. Okay. Prior to the implementation. Okay, I'm good with that then. 41:10 Any other comments on 20? Good. Okay, we'll go to 21. Such [snorts] written notice shall 41:20 provide the owner and operator a reasonable time period not to exceed 60 days unless otherwise agreed by the parties for good faith efforts to 41:31 resolve the default including possible negotiation of a rehabilitation plan. Corrective action schedule or decommissioning timetable 41:43 at developer A reasonable time period not to exceed 60 days. [snorts] 42:14 Are we good with that? Unless otherwise agreed by the parties from what? 60 days from what? Receiving the written notice. 42:33 That's what I'm going to say. Yeah. Or knowledge prior public knowledge or I don't Yeah. written notice because the written notice that it 42:42 refers back to 20 where we're saying prior to implementation we're going to give them the written notice. So once they receive it they then have six a 42:51 reasonable time not to exceed 60 days. Do we know who the parties are? Okay, that was that was my next question. 43:03 Unless otherwise agreed by the parties, I think we could just take that out. They have 60 days flat out for a good faith effort to resolve the default. 43:17 I like that. So I'm going to make a note why parties. You will just take just take out unless other unless otherwise agreed by the 43:26 parties. Take that out. Yep. Okay. 43:31 Gone. Anything else on 21? Good. 22. If the default is not resolved 43:41 within the applicable time, the county may pursue any and all remedies available under this chapter, the decommissioning recycling and site 43:49 restoration plan and agreement and other applicable law. That kind of gives us some flexibility there 43:59 within applicable time with are we saying [sighs] I don't like vagueness. I understand 44:13 that sometimes vagueness is appropriate. However, their idea of applicable time when fixing an issue could be very different 44:24 than what the citizens of this county consider an applicable time. How do we define the applicable time in this? days, 120 days, 180 days. 44:34 Yeah, I think we defined that. Yep. The vault is not resolved within X amount of days. 44:45 Yes. Grant County. [clears throat] Grant County APC. Yeah. 44:56 So, are you going to use 60 days again? I think that's generous. Some some issues and could probably be resolved within a day. Other issues may actually 45:09 take longer than 60 days. But um and 21 talks about to resolve the default, right? 45:18 This is if the default is not resolved. Uh is that an additional time after 60 days? Is that what it's saying? That's what I'm assuming it is. That's 45:31 what I read it too. And right, so it's referring to if it's not resolved within the 60 days, the county 45:38 may pursue any and all remedies available under this chapter. [snorts] So why don't we just put within the 60 45:50 days allotted? It's kind of what I was wondering. So it's specific with so take out applicable time and put within the 60 46:01 days. Yeah. Allotted or Yeah, I think allotted is the correct legal term. We'll go with 46:09 that. Okay, we good. We'll move on to number six. Costs incurred by the county. 46:21 Number 23. In the event the owner and or operator fails to enter into a rehabilitation plan or fails to decommission, 46:31 recycle, and restore the site to accordance with this section. The owner and operator shall pay all costs incurred by the county in enforcing this 46:39 section, including reasonable attorney fees, engineering fees, inspection costs, removal costs, recycling costs, restoration costs, and administrative 46:49 expenses. So they picked up the attorney fee in that. Okay. Yes. And grant in front of county take 46:57 out that. [snorts] I think that was pretty good that one right there. Okay. We good with 23? 47:09 Good. Okay. 24. Any such costs not paid may be assessed as a lean upon the real estate where the facility is located to the 47:19 extent permitted by law. I think that's another um note made to seek counsel on additional appropriations 47:32 as far as the ling. Yes, just like in number 19 under four. Okay, with that being said, before we go on to why we're going to open this up 47:48 for public comment. Told you guys we're going to get this done tonight. Now, Michael, you got to make this 48:03 short. [laughter] No pressure. I'm going to offer a thought. Now, I don't have a suggestion of words that 48:11 may fall in that category that Molly just referred to about uh seeking a attorney's way to structure structure it. Okay. Um we're talking about uh a 48:22 development that they'll bring in a lot of material assets uh devices and and components and so forth. all which all that has value. You're you're talking 48:35 about you know uh requiring bonds for you know a value of an amount that u will um it'll cover our costs if this place has to be decommissioned and 48:48 reverted back to. But if if I'm sitting on their side and thinking about how I structure the organization that comes in to do devel do the development, I'm 48:59 going to want to limit my exposure as much as possible and using a a device like a limited liability corporation um in an organizational structure and 49:12 trying to set up my balance sheet and asset sheet in such a way that I have minimal assets, you know, uh touchable assets in that organization, 49:24 [clears throat] but I have a lot of debt. I have a lot of leveraged uh uh devices in place so that I minimize what my valuation is. I'm I'm I guess I'm 49:37 trying to say how how it's structured in the wording of the organization that we're dealing with that we require them to be a 49:46 corporation or if we can require them to be a corporation, an escorp or something which they have to show and retain and demonstrate value of all of the material 49:58 that they bring in into the construction of it. don't don't allow us to be put in a position where there's a shell company sitting out there that has no no assets 50:09 and everything is leveraged to the hill of mortgages so that if they did decide to pull a um a Baltimore Coats Colts uh [laughter] 50:23 event and leave in the middle of the night and leave nothing that there's an entity there that doesn't have any value to it. So I 50:33 I see your head shaking. So I think you get the idea. All property. Yep. 50:38 That's on site would be seized their responsibility. Did I say that well? 50:43 Something's in a way mechanism that in a way allows us to attach further to it if the performance bonds are not adequate or not enough. Thank you. 50:54 Thank you. Anybody else? Anyone else? Okay, hearing none, we will move to the middle of page 33. Why, which is 51:08 conflict with other regulations. Number one, nothing in this section is intended to preempt other applicable county, state, or federal laws or 51:19 regulations, including but not limited to building, fire, flood plane, environmental, utility, and aviation requirements. Any [snorts] 51:32 thoughts on that? I'm good. No, I'm good. Good. Number two, all data center 51:43 accessory uses and associated infrastructure shall comply with all other applicable ordinances, rules, regulations, statutes, permit 51:52 requirements, and provision of law. Good. Have we defined accessory uses? [snorts] Maybe we need to define a battery 52:18 standby system. It could be a generator. Generator, could be a natural gas plant. 52:27 So I I think if I remember correctly, we asked about that the last meeting we talked defining specifically what we mean by accessory uses. 52:36 We got to be careful by narrowing it down exclusive to just what's on paper. Correct. No, I think Maybe not on paper 52:44 define it, but at least know what we mean by that. Okay, are we good there? Number two. Yeah. 52:54 Number three. In the event that the provisions of this section impose restrictions different from any other ordinance, rule, regulation, statute, or 53:04 provision of law, the provisions that are more restrictive or that impose the higher standard shall govern. I really like that one. 53:13 I agree. Okay, we good with that? Yep. Number four. Nothing in this section 53:18 shall be interpreted to interfere with abrogate or and annoy any other applicable ordinance, rule, regulation, statute, or provision of law. 53:30 Like that too. Yes. All right. Any comments on number Y before we move to Z? 53:48 Hi, Bill Creek and Marian. I just had one quick question. On number two, what about cuz you're dealing with a 54:08 with data centers and advanced technology. What about if there's something that comes about in the future 54:18 that you didn't even know about that you didn't have an ordinance or anything? Is there anything in there that keeps them from grandfathering in under the golden 54:27 one that they have to be compliant to all future If you find something else out in the future that this technology or something 54:38 that they're doing there wasn't even covered by the ordinances cuz you didn't know about it. Is there any way to protect yourself with that? That's 54:47 that's a question that I would have a good question. We will make a note to make sure that we ensure that we're protected by any additional so they be 54:56 compliant with any additional radiation or thank you. So we might want to have some kind of 55:05 review process in mind for you know future developments in this ordinance if uh new technology or something come along is what he's 55:18 saying. Mhm. [clears throat] some three year, fiveyear review or things change fairly quickly in this industry. 55:28 I hope your handwriting is good, Randy. I'll be able to read it. [laughter] Well, you can watch your video and get the flavor. 55:37 There you go. That's right. That's what Todd can do. Okay. Thank you, Bill. All right. Anything else before we move 55:54 on to Z enforcement? Okay. Hearing none. Number one, under Z, the county may designate such staff, officials, employees, agents, attorneys, 56:06 engineers, consultants, inspectors, or other qualified persons as it deems appropriate to administer, implement, inspect, monitor, and enforce this 56:17 section. Any should that be actual commissioners? Sorry. Code enforcement falls under APC, right? 56:32 Yes. Yep. Okay. We're giving them a lot to do with this. 56:36 Yeah. For that volunteers, you know, just mentioning that. 56:44 Can we defer cost? What's your suggestion then? Well, you know, and and it may be that the APC 56:53 hires some people to do these things, too, you know. Yes. Because they're just not going to be able to 57:01 enforce everything. Enforce all this and do all this. Just a fluke of volunteer. That that'd be a lot. 57:10 That's what I was wondering if it should go back to the commissioners instead of the APC since they are the actual elected officials. 57:19 Yeah. And maybe we've kind of got that covered in here. They may designate such staff officials, employees, agents, attorneys, engineers, and all that. We 57:30 we're going to have to hire them obviously. Right. Does this give us that power, doesn't it? [clears throat] 57:35 Yeah, that gives us that power to cover that. Okay. So leave it as APC and not take it up a step higher. 57:46 Because it's code enforcement, you say need to stick with APC. Seems like it to me. That's where code enforcement is. 57:53 Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Bud comments. We good? Yeah. I wondered if we could divert the 58:00 cost to them for the implementation of regulation or enforcement. Sure. And 58:12 in regards to hiring somebody to enforce that, right, the cost will go to them. 58:18 Is that what you're Yeah, exactly. So, we need some verbiage for that then. Y 58:33 can figure out the verbage. Yep. [snorts] Okay, we are going to go to number two on page 34. At the top of page 34, 58:46 I see us coming to a close here, folks. Just keep reading. Okay. All [laughter] right. Number two. Any person owning, controlling, 58:54 operating, managing, or otherwise responsible for any building, structure, equipment improvement, or land related to a data center shall be legally and 59:04 financially responsible for compliance with this section. The terms and conditions of any approval granted under this section and any lawful order issued 59:14 in connection with enforcement of this section. um developing and that in there owning, controlling, operating, managing, 59:24 developing. Okay. Or then developer or 59:30 developing I would say cuz everything else is an ing word. So, okay. Okay. I got you. I understand. 59:50 Good with that. Yep. There's a lot there, but okay. Number three. Violations of this section 59:58 including violations of any addition, approval condition, agreement, financial assurance requirement, reporting requirement, or enforcement order shall 1:00:09 be subject to the penalties and remedies provided by this chapter, including 153.99 of any other applicable local, state, 1:00:21 and federal law. I am just looking up that code real quick. Is that our area zoning ordinance code 1:00:31 or is that Indiana code? I'm assuming I think it's ours. Yeah, cuz it doesn't say IC. 1:00:36 Okay. So, yeah, that's ours 153 series. Okay. 1:00:46 So, I think that something that was mentioned last time was making sure that that code and its enforcements and applicable 1:00:58 fines was reviewed as well. Did I do I remember that correctly? 1:01:11 You're younger than me, Molly. So, I'm sure your members have [laughter] It's at It's at the very bottom of our area wide zoning ordinance. I think 1:01:20 $1539.99. Yeah. Cuz [snorts] it was it I remember Todd saying something about, 1:01:28 you know, a fine of $2,500, which a day. Per day, right? which with some of these things that we've 1:01:38 discussed throughout this entire ordinance, I mean, that is that's a drop of sweat. Yeah. And the maximum according to state 1:01:46 law at this time is 7,500 per day [clears throat] that we can find. So, can we make note to um 1:02:00 check that and make sure it is updated according to state code? 15399 first lines is any person violating any provision of this chapter for which no 1:02:11 specific penalty is prescribed shall be subject to 10.99. So yeah, there's a couple pages there of verbiage. [clears throat] 1:02:22 Okay. In the in the zoning ordinance. Yeah. Okay. So we'll just review that code, 1:02:28 see if it's appropriate. That would be a commission required change if we're going to do the AYZ area zoning ordinance change. 1:02:35 Right. Go ahead. [clears throat] But if if we're only charging 2500 and state law allows us to do higher than that now, 1:02:42 right? We should probably consider doing that. Well, I I think there's some 1:02:49 consideration of reviewing the AY zoning ordinance here in the near future. All right, we'll move to number four. Each week that a violation continues 1:03:00 after notice and opportunity to cure where applicable shall constitute a separate violation unless otherwise provided by law. 1:03:09 Let me change week today. Yes, because that fits with our fines. Okay. 1:03:17 [sighs] Anything else on four? Are we defining those separate viol shall constitute a separate violation? 1:03:28 Is that then also covered in the area zoning code? What that fine violation 1:03:40 would be? We could reference 153.999 again. Yeah, I think we should cuz otherwise it leaves it open. 1:03:47 What are you thinking? I was thinking maybe just refer to it as the maximum state fine for a violation 1:03:54 instead of a separate violation shall constitute the maximum fine provided by state law. the separate needs to stay because that's for each 1:04:05 day. [snorts] But you could have violations for all kinds 1:04:11 of different things, meaning toxic chemicals or or lead already. Yeah. 1:04:22 So leave separate violation otherwise provided by law and then word it to add in the maximum maximum fine. 1:04:36 Maximum fine under state law. Yes. Periation. 1:04:43 Per violation. Yes. I like that. Thanks. Okay. Anything else on four? Number five. In addition to all other 1:05:02 remedies, the county may institute any appropriate legal action or proceedings to prevent, restrain, correct, abate, enjoin, compel compliance with or 1:05:14 recover damages or cost arising from any actual or threatened violation of this section, including unlawful construction, alteration, 1:05:25 reconstruction, operation, movement, use, abandonment, or failure to decommission or restore the site. [snorts] 1:05:37 Pretty much covered what we've talked about. Um, what about environmental 1:05:49 that first line? Are we going to tack that to an agency APC or just leave it broad? [snorts] 1:06:02 I think it should be broad in this case because some of these could go be a health board violation or Mhm. 1:06:12 uh an environmental violation or whatever. That's why I was wondering. [clears throat] Yeah, I agree. 1:06:19 Okay. To just put Grant County. Yeah, cuz Yeah, it's 1:06:24 um a lot of a vast array of things in there packed in there. Um, yeah. The only thing I don't see in that list 1:06:40 would be anything environmental. Okay, we'll make note of environmental. Okay. Anything else on five? We have a road use agreement in here. And is that 1:06:59 is that just for the construction or should we have a road use agreement for decommissioning? Decommission. 1:07:08 Yes, I agree. So, it should technically be one of the 1:07:20 same, wouldn't it? Cuz it' be I mean, well, they might be going someplace different when they're hauling it away. as opposed to new materials coming in 1:07:31 the building. Okay. All right. We're going to do number six. The rights and remedies provided in this 1:07:45 section are accumulative and are in addition to any other rights and remedies available to the county at law or in equity. 1:07:55 add that to grant. Any comments about that? I'm good with it. All right, we'll open to public comment. 1:08:15 Where did we first number of written 33 enforcement enforcement letter Z? 1:08:22 Open this up. enforce my letter Z want to clarify something. Could you clarify something for me? When you're talking about the potential finding, are 1:08:40 you talking it'll start out at 25 uh per day depending on the violation and up to the seven or you going to start right at 75 that the state allows or is it going 1:08:51 to be a tiered thing by what the violation is and how long it's feasible for them to correct it and if they haven't corrected in a feasible amount 1:08:59 then it creeps up or you just going to start all the violations out at the highest amount. I wasn't quite clear. Just wanted to clarify. Thank you. 1:09:08 Reference law. Yeah. Where are we going to reference that statute? 1:09:14 That was that was number four, wasn't it? [clears throat] Uh three and and four. 1:09:22 Yeah. I think we were going to three was the county ordinance, right? That 153, right? And four is the state. 1:09:30 State. Right. Right. So, we were going to review the code. Correct. 1:09:34 Yes. And So, we're going to look at that and see how that lays since it is in the area zoning 1:09:41 ordinance in regard to those fees. I'm I'm fine with the fees and stuff. I just didn't know if it's going to be tiered based on the violation or it's 1:09:48 just going to be flat no. And I'll be honest with you, I've not reviewed that to know where that is or you know how that's structured. 1:09:58 Okay. We're going to make sure that it's structure or or we're going to request I shouldn't say not make sure cuz we we don't have that ability but we will 1:10:06 request right the [clears throat] zoning board reook at that and make sure it is updated to 1:10:14 current state statutes and fines are appropriate to cost of living today. Does that make sense? Any other public comment? 1:10:25 Okay. Todd and I talked about uh the possibility of needing a separate wordness for battery energy battery energy storage systems. So we are going 1:10:34 to skip that section 153-7 which is A B C D E and F. It goes all the way to the acupability at page 37 in the So, [snorts] we are going to jump to 1:10:52 only having two left to discuss. Told you we were going to get this done tonight. So, that's going to be uh 153.7 XZ on the page 37. 1:11:07 And Randy, you did make a note that we need to re to look at a wetlands protection section. I do have a note to look at a wet land. Yes. 1:11:17 Okay. Yep. Got it right there. Number two. Okay. And and why is this numbered separately? 1:11:26 Do we have any reason for that? I mean, why did he throw a 153? I don't think you've done that throughout the thing here. that that actually looks like our 1:11:37 zoning numbers that the 153 series there. So, I'm not sure why they picked up. I mean, when you put this into our zoning ordinance, 1:11:54 you may be starting at 153 7 something. Um, and I can't remember where we were with the solar ordinance on I can take a 1:12:06 minute here. Um, yeah, we were in the 153700 series, I think, with the zoning ordinance. 1:12:15 So, you think the this was pulled from the area wide zoning ordinance then? Yeah, that number. Okay. It's not a complete number. The XX 1:12:23 would be where you add to it, I expect. Um, and it would be appropriate for this to be added to an ordinance even though 1:12:36 it's in our area wide zoning ordinance. Yeah, it would be added to our area zoning ordinance. We left up here in the in this one in 153745, 1:12:48 I think. So, we would actually begin this ordinance at some point after that. Okay. So, it might be 750 or we might just clear the 800. 1:13:00 [clears throat] Okay. Well, let's take a peek at this and see if we feel like there's any changes that 1:13:06 we need to recommend. So, applicability. The requirements of this ordinance and the sections added hereby shall apply to all data centers. 1:13:16 And we're going to take out Matter Gy battery energy storage system since we're removing that. proposed, constructed, installed, operated, 1:13:24 expanded, modified, transferred, or decommissioned after the effective date of this ordinance, except where a different applicability standard is 1:13:34 specifically stated. Anything to add Um, I think I'm all right with it. What if 1:14:00 our [snorts] ordinance for a data center something in here is higher than an ordinance for something else? We would want 1:14:12 I don't want them to be able to argue well in this ordinance it's x, but the exact same thing in this ordinance is y. We're except we're a different 1:14:23 applicability standard. So except where a different higher accability standard. Yeah. Like a more stringent. 1:14:42 Right. I agree. So where are you Molly? On the very last line between different and applicability 1:14:52 add higher a different higher acceler or a higher yes okay 1:15:00 higher think different yes okay all right 1:15:08 anything No. Any public input on this before we move to severability? 1:15:29 Okay. Hearing none. Severability. Bottom of page 37. In any provision of this ordinance where the application thereof to any person, 1:15:42 entity, property or circumstance is held invalid by a court or administrative agency of competent jurisdiction such invalid invalidity shall not affect the 1:15:53 remaining provisions or applications of this ordinance which are declared to be severable. So if a court says 1:16:03 part E isn't lawful, it doesn't negate the rest of it. That's the way Mr. Herman explained to me a couple years ago. 1:16:11 Okay, I'm okay with that. Okay. Any comments? Yeah. Good. public input. 1:16:29 All right, that being said, we will open this up public comment for anything associated with data centers. 1:16:48 [music] Seven weeks That's it. Committee members, kudos to you all for 1:16:56 the exercise of your uh time and uh and involvement and uh working to uh structure and further structure and review the draft uh on the journey to uh 1:17:09 achieving a uh data center ordinance for our county. Thank you very much for your appreciate that, Michael. It's been a journey 1:17:18 and public input's been very helpful. So, we admire and appreciate all that. Hi, Laura. Hi. 1:17:27 Just for the record, my name is Laura Mack. I'm with the Chronicle Tribune. Our address is 401 South Miller Avenue. Last week, Lieutenant Governor Micah 1:17:35 Beckwith was here in Marian and held a town hall to address public concerns and questions. And one of the topics that came up was data centers. And so, his 1:17:43 opinion on that was twofold. that the United States needs them to advance in the digital war and quote beat China and also that they should not be on public 1:17:51 land or taking spaces from local farmers. Um some of his other comments he advocated for local control over where when and how data centers come to 1:18:00 specific counties. He said you guys decide where you want it, how you want it, when you want it, and then your local officials can dictate that. He 1:18:08 also said that Governor Mike Braun quote is exactly on that same page. And so I'm just asking you guys for your thoughts on Lieutenant Governor's comments and 1:18:19 about conversations about data centers state level. Thank you. All right, go for it you guys. My comment would be they should repeal 1:18:30 the sales tax exemption on computer equipment that they've given the data set because I think they are fairly wealthy anyway. 1:18:39 shouldn't pay the taxes like we do. Any other comments anyone like to share? Informing my words appropriately because I have a lot of comments, but I'm also 1:18:54 on the record. So, um I think that the makeup of our current state legislature 1:19:07 is not advocating for local rule. So, I'm happy to hear that Lieutenant Governor Beckwith is advocating for local rule um not just over data centers 1:19:18 but in general overall because there's lots more that is affecting our state than just data centers. In addition to that, however, 1:19:27 [clears throat] I also feel like he might be speaking out of both sides of his mouth a little bit. 1:19:35 Um, and and that's a direct quote from me. Um, I I think that um they like the idea of it, but they they don't like the push back 1:19:48 they're getting from the citizens on it. Um, so they're trying to play the political game. of the speech that is best right now 1:19:59 coming into uh November. So, um but I I I think you know, as we all know, lots of shakeups yesterday in the IURC. So that that's going to play 1:20:13 out a lot in how this is going to work out and and and how the energy um to to power these ginormous machines are going to come into play. Um 1:20:27 I'll leave it at that. Does that help? [clears throat] Yeah, thank you. Just a quick followup to that if anybody wants to chime in. Um 1:20:33 the lieutenant governor also mentioned that he supported data centers being developed on military grounds. What are your thoughts on that? 1:20:44 Coming from a military family, um I don't think that's smart either. Military installations are already a target for [laughter] many different 1:20:53 reasons and I think this would just add an additional layer to that um completely. Now, if it's a data center to power specific military operations, 1:21:04 that is understandable. Um, but I I I don't think that that that layer of of complexity needs to be added anymore into 1:21:18 the military makeup currently. I do think um there's a lot of propaganda about the Red Scare coming around and then the the war against 1:21:29 China. And if you read things like the Financial Times, if you look at all the different pieces of the puzzle, um the United States has more data centers 1:21:41 currently in operation than the next I think it's four or five countries combined. So 1:21:49 that do [clears throat] we need to make sure we are strong in our military endeavors and on military land? Absolutely. 1:21:58 However, I also think we need to make sure that we're not fueling a propaganda machine that doesn't need to exist. 1:22:08 Yeah, I have something to say. Um, we have a great resource in this region which is our underground water. It's very clean, good for manufacturing, good 1:22:21 for cooling or or whatever we need to have it for. It's easy for someone from a different region to um pursue uh monetary 1:22:35 uh benefit from from somewhere else for three jobs, four jobs that that requires to run. And uh so if it were something that were worth more jobs, which this 1:22:49 particular part of the the state needs, it would be uh more considerable and more favorable of a venture. So thank you, bud. 1:23:01 All right. Thanks for your comments, folks. Thank you, Laura, for coming. Any other comment in general? 1:23:12 There's one thing we I don't think we really touched on and this is really doesn't have to be in the ordinance, but um 1:23:24 our fees, I don't think we really touched on that. Non-refundable application fee might start around $100,000. 1:23:34 Change of ownership fee might be like 50,000, half of that. [clears throat] and the improvement location permit fee might have like a base of 10,000 1:23:48 and 2,000 per megawatt rated capacity something like that those are I'm not I'm not committed to those numbers just [clears throat] 1:23:59 kind of a suggestion we were somewhat similar in the solar ordinance arrangement [clears throat] there so 1:24:08 okay is it is Is it possible to uh restrict any um tax exemptions or or property? Uh no, but uh our county council does the 1:24:24 property tax abatements and uh they kind of have a history of of not jumping into that if they're not providing uh plenty [clears throat] of jobs, 1:24:35 right? you know and uh [snorts] so they would they would look at that it it's their area yeah so to speak any other comments from anyone 1:24:49 I want to thank you guys for um sharing this journey with me uh I think that we've you know opened the opportunity for other uh county agencies to take 1:25:00 consideration as to what we've done here uh I believe that we have received some very valuable input from the community and I I hope the community appreciates 1:25:11 the fact that uh we honor their input and um [clears throat] care about how things go. So with that being said, no other comments. We will turn this 1:25:21 meeting. Do I have a motion to journ I I want to [clears throat] mention that I appreciate Randy Atkins guiding us through this entire project. Yeah, 1:25:34 it's a lot of reading that he did and a lot of preparation and I just wanted to express our thanks. I think we all share that and uh [clears throat] 1:25:47 good job. Thank you [laughter] here. My time's short, but yes. And and Todd, too, even though he's not 1:25:54 here. Yeah, Todd's been great. Is this the first subcommittee that has actually invited community members on? 1:26:01 Yes, this is the first subcommittee structure that we've taken in Grant County and I I hope that it's something that uh we can continue to do on 1:26:09 critical issues of this nature and I hope it's a you know it's a pattern for others to consider in other county agencies so county governments. So thank 1:26:19 you guys. Thank you. Meeting adjourned. Thank you all for coming. 1:26:22 Thank you. Can we get Marcus? Yeah, probably. [laughter] 1:26:57 Then we got down before 8:00. We did. Well, what do you call that? A limited. 1:27:06 When's the next meeting? You guys haven't decided. Um, no. We're going to Todd's going to have to get these revisions 1:27:14 into the draft and then we'll make that known. Unsure when that will happen, but hopefully, you know, in the next couple weeks. 1:27:21 Okay. I'll follow up with you. Thank you. Thanks, Laura, for coming. You guys have the meeting cuz they have six months, 1:27:34 right? All right. Yeah, you know trusted me with the key. I get to lock the door [laughter] 1:27:42 lock. Is that where the door is actually?