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    0:02  drainage Grant County drainage board meeting for July 14th, 2026. First thing we'll do is say the prayer and the pledge of allegiance.
    0:34  God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. I need a approval of minutes. I make a motion to approve the minutes from the January 30th meeting. Second Second Second >> got that Mary. >> Yeah. >> All in favor signify by saying >> I oppose. Motion carries. Moving on to claims.
    1:05  Moving on to claims. Tom
    1:35  $3,98,59 $3,98,59 alone. General drain improvement fund to maintenance. maintenance. maintenance. Grand County treasure for $563.74 for repayment maintenance to the general fund improvement and right away of management $578.70
    2:06  in the fun.
    2:37  Next one is Cooks Excavating for $1,945. Pipe Creek has $140,70 in the fund. I assume this is just for uh log jam uh cleaning up. Yeah. Jam on approval again we pay this claim for second all in favor by saying I
    3:08  all in favor by saying I >> I stayain >> one abstain motion carries moving on to old business the simp Simon style Mlan brothers quote it's right Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> Tell you what it's for. >> It's for smashing the old tile on the sewer laid new tile in and that's a price to smash the old tile except for
    3:40  price to smash the old tile except for the part on cast things
    4:12  laterals necessary to hook in, but there you can see. >> Yeah. It says any sub main laterals discovered. Oh, you can. >> Nathan, could you close the door, please? Sure.
    4:53  Yeah, copy down. You see a problem doing it? it? it? >> I'll make a motion that we accept McCain's quote to Crest tile on the Sim Simon tile for let me for how much? $4,96028. All in favor sign by saying I opposed. Motion carries. Moving on to Lowmax Owing and spring. What do we do next?
    5:32  You need to sign up for >> the chairman. Um, for the Lomax, uh, it's on the agenda because, uh, we brought up in the last meeting, uh, asked Raymond about what we need to do to get Chad from Rideway Management to spread it. And Raymond made the comment that Chad needed more
    6:03  comment that Chad needed more information on the wetlands. Uh so Raymond asked I called Chad um and um Chad at that time
    6:33  mow it. And so and then uh I forget exactly how it went down that Chad got back involved. I think Kelly called you. Is that right? And said they would like to have Chad do it. >> Yeah, there was a conversation. I can't recall exactly the >> but something like that. And so at this point Chad So I talked to Chad again. Chad said he would spray it uh if we sent everything to him. and uh there was a hold harmless sign by the homeowners association and and he would
    7:04  homeowners association and and he would be happy to spray it as long it was mowed before he sprayed. So it's on the agenda. Uh there been a lot of talk in the background um about what's going on. So we put on the agenda today so the board could address it and vote uh if they needed to and go from there. And any public comment Well, we need to stay ahead of it so it don't get bad >> cuz it uh in April 24
    7:34  >> cuz it uh in April 24 uh the water was blocked. We went in and uh got permission from the board to go in and work on the easement of um to clear it and to dredge or to clear it and get the water flowing. Uh that was done. Um I think it was sprayed one time and then uh it was brought up the wetlands. So we've met with IDM, we met with Army Corps of Engineer and got them their approval. Uh Emerson Her I think sent you a email this spring with the actual wetlands again and just a
    8:05  actual wetlands again and just a reminder. reminder. reminder. >> Yeah, I wish I >> Yeah. And just a reminder for the What did you put in the file? >> Okay. And just a reminder of what is out there, what and what they will not allow to be sprayed. Um so >> it won't be moved. >> Yes. >> The wetland. >> No, we cannot touch a wetland. We cannot touch the wetlands. We can't mow the wetlands. We can't spray the wetlands. We can't have any drift on the wetlands. Um I was out there last week and drove it and the blue flag that was set when uh the Army Corp of Engineers is is still out there to identify those
    8:35  still out there to identify those wetlands. Um there are small trees and uh brush and weeds growing up. There's cattails that's restricting the flow of water. Uh so something needs to be done to get it caught back up before it gets out of control. We fought this thing from day one. >> Yes. >> And I'll make a motion that we find out where the creek bed is and we get a long stick excavator in there to clean the
    9:08  stick excavator in there to clean the creek all the way down through there. One thing that we cannot do or that we don't know yet um and talking to Kyle Pinger Pinger Pinger uh is on that uh easement. But I know we talked about an easement or a non easement. We talked about we have talked about easement but we have not talked or we have not done anything about uh getting a legal description for the >> relocation of the limax which was talked about back before these houses were built 2006 I think. And so um talking to
    9:40  built 2006 I think. And so um talking to Kyle yesterday there is some more footwork that needs to be done on easements where uh through the pond of Meyer possibly. Um, but uh that may be shown on the maps that you have up that are in the auto that you don't have that they're in the recorder's office. Is that right? I do not have a legal description written out for the relocated lowmax, but it does show on every plat for all the housing development out there that right at the back end of their yards is a drainage
   10:11  back end of their yards is a drainage easement. And that has to be where the drainage easement for the lowmax goes because there's no other direction for it to go. As far as restrictions of the ditch, it really doesn't have much at the moment, but if the trees are let to grow in the middle again and weeds take over, then possibility of a blockage is a lot more there. there. there. >> We'd like to maintain the middle of it so that we can get to it and make sure that it stays open. We've talked, me and Doug have talked about possibly
   10:42  Doug have talked about possibly and the board has talked in okay having a pipe put in to access it better. The cage doesn't no longer want to put the pipe in. So, we need to have a contractor bid putting the pipe in. It also needs dredge from 38th Street to the south at least to where the pipe comes out of the big pond into the open LMAX. That that definitely needs dredge now. It's got sludge and is holding back flow. No, >> we got 75 fort these
   11:13  >> we got 75 fort these through there to a certain point on the south end of the original. >> There's a restriction with the wetlands in there. Definitely. You can't get 150 ft wide between the wet land and the back of their yards. I'm not sure how many feet that is. >> But the wetlands included in the >> We won't do. >> Well, I So, the main reason it was brought up is just to get it out in the open. Uh, I'll take the blame for the letter. Um, I I I'll take that blame. But the main thing was just to get on record uh that the drainage board um
   11:45  record uh that the drainage board um approves the spraying and mowing and and just so it's on record that it needs to be paid for. >> Do not need to be paid for if that's a pleasure of the board. The board needs to make that motion and my and go on.
   12:15  on. The lady behind you that window. The lady behind you. >> The lady. >> Uh no the mowing will be less than 4,000. 4,000. 4,000. >> So you know really you could okay it you know what I mean cuz it's less than 4,000 right here at the border border. Yeah. Okay. >> The homeowners can get to pay on this. >> You're saying you want a little max fun?
   12:45  >> Go ahead, ma'am. >> Just state your name and your address. >> Hi, my name is Eric Costello, uh, 4326 Starky Drive. I am the HOA president of Heritage Village. Um, one thing that I want to address too is the um, it's corn sto corn season and
   13:15  Kelly or Lindsay when the drain backed up in the roundabout that it was went out you guys thought it was up the pond but it actually was also the corn stalks that that kind of held up the water and when that was blown out, the water from the roundabout went out. So, I would ask that you guys after the corn it is gone that you guys have harvested, please go out and check the drain also before you do some of the other work because again, it's corn season that happens. Corn stops are everywhere.
   13:45  stops are everywhere. >>
   14:16  that water gets backed up in there, yeah, we'll go in there and jet it open. >> Okay. And then, um, also with the spraying and the mowing or mowing, I know that the spraying when you originally talked about it in the last meeting that you had agreed to have that come out of the general fund of the spraying like every other drain. So, that um I would ask that you guys consider that too of like having um that you're playing paying right away out of the general spray fund instead of the the Lomx fund. >> You mean the fun? >> It'll come out of the Lax fund. And why why did the other when we attended
   14:46  why did the other when we attended >> all the others come out of their own funds that it was a it was money that was available through a government grant the ARP money >> and it was it had to be earmarked for expenditure expenditure expenditure >> and it has been earmarked and it has been spent. There is no more money that >> okay cuz originally when we were at the last meeting that's where it was come that's where the money was coming from. So it's kind of disappointing that >> if it would got sprayed if it would have got sprayed this spring part of it would have got paid down all that money. Okay? >> Cuz every ditch that got sprayed this spring, part of their bill got paid with
   15:18  spring, part of their bill got paid with that money. But that money is now gone. That was money that came in 2 years ago and we had to spend it or we had to lose it. We earmarked it for the spray program because the spray program was already in motion and it was a big enough fund that required that much money. money. money. >> Okay. So, was ours the only one out not in that spray that was included in that? Yours didn't get sprayed this year because you guys scared the spray guy away and he wasn't going to come and >> so can I speak to that because I think that's very unfair. Are you talking
   15:48  that's very unfair. Are you talking about scaring right away off? >> Mhm. >> That's that's a very unfair accusation. All of us at the and that we have been coming to the meetings we were on board with right away because he was going to do everything the right way and he was great at communication and he was going to notify and he like we nobody called. I also spoke to Mary had told me that supposedly someone had called him and threatened him. Nobody threatened him. That was miscommunication. If you go back to another meeting,
   16:18  there was stuff talked about with with some other ditch. So, I don't know if that's what was miscommunication, but there's nobody in our neighborhood that called and spoke and threatened him. We have spoken to him. There's a couple members or people in the neighborhood that spoken to him and everybody was on board. So, I I really take offense to you guys really looking at us negatively and accusing us of doing that and and scaring away. That's not our fault that he got scared away. That's also dealing with certain bird members, too. >> I think they got that took care of now, though. though. though. >> But I'm just saying I'm addressing Raymond because I don't think that's fair that that he that and Mary, they
   16:51  fair that that he that and Mary, they have accused us of scaring him away. And I don't know where she got her information. But again, we have not threatened anybody. Yes. You know what? So we can go back to the day where Doug and I think Wendle or whoever came out and did the work. This is so this is where it all started, right? This is the relationship that Doug and Wendle built with us. How they started a bad foot off with us because they came into the neighborhood and I want to address Doug said that they had permission. Can I wait just
   17:21  >> I know, but I want to go back and say no. no. no. >> Wait a minute. We've we've went through all this. It's like I don't know if I talked to you, but I talked to the three ladies from out there. Okay. We can't do anything about the past. Okay? All we can do Wait a minute. You I mean, I've been sitting in here, you guys come in here and say this. You're saying the same thing, the trees, everything. Okay? We can't fix that. What we got to do is maintain what we got to maintain. And there's no need to going on cuz we've all heard this. Okay? We apologize if you think that was wrong
   17:53  We apologize if you think that was wrong or Mary was wrong. But the bottom line is we're not here to hear this. We're here just to let you know that who's going to do the mowing and who's going to
   18:24  >> Just state your name and address. Uh 3921 3921 3921 before I speak, would the board mind introducing themselves just so I know who I'm speaking with? >> I'm Chuck Polling. I'm the president of the Dreams Board. >> Richard Cox, Vice Brook, chairman Duck King, seed member, >> Gordon G, member >> Kenn Raymond Bear, Sar. >> Thank you. >> Very easy. >> Thank you.
   18:55  that? Just to clarify that statement. >> I can hear you. >> That the pro you said that there was a issue since day one with drainage back there with the lowax. >> Can you can you explain what you mean by that? that? that? Well, they fought we fought the thing all the time.
   19:29  There's more ground goes through that just that far. They've
   20:01  where wherever the old ditch is down through there did
   20:32  >> Okay, Mike, you're getting you're going to get the pay now. >> Hang on, Kenny. Go ahead, sir. >> I I don't appreciate that, sir. I mean, that sounds very accusatory, and I don't know that all that is actually true. But my question is is like in the last so in the first 16 years that that was built back there, there was no spraying and mowing. So since 2024, why is it have been so aggressive all of a sudden that this needs to be done? >> Actually, we've had more rain than we've probably ever had in the last >> 16 years prior to that.
   21:02  >> 16 years prior to that. >> G it's grown up. Are are you asking what started it? >> Well, just like like why wasn't this discussion a year after it all started? you know, some kind of plan for five years. How come? How come as property owners like you sit there for 16 years and nothing's done? >> It's been sloughed underneath the table >> by the drain by you guys. >> It just hasn't been addressed until recently. recently. recently. >> Yeah, it's a a lot of ditches are that
   21:32  >> Yeah, it's a a lot of ditches are that way. They'll get >> they get put in or they get cleaned and dredged and then drainage is wonderful for a while. and nothing gets done until something happens and then it's brought to attention that oh we're not maintaining. There's stuff that's grown up that shouldn't grown up because it wasn't maintained. Now we have to go in and open it up versus just going in and dredging a ditch that is already in good working order. Now has trees growing in it. We were called out there a couple
   22:02  it. We were called out there a couple times for beaver dams that got made in the open channel just to the south of 38th Street and had one of those removed. removed. removed. Um, there was debris that got built up on the southern pond exit. That backed water up into the tile, which comes out of Myers parking lot, which also drains the field to the south, is what got the investigation investigation investigation of cleaning that out to relieve the tile. Then we saw downstream there was more trees that should be maintained and
   22:34  more trees that should be maintained and taken out. If you have beaver beaver involved, we heard that somebody in there lost a tree out of their yard because the beaver went looking for a tree and took that tree. They just do that to make a dam. I've seen beaver make dams out of corn stalks and rocks, >> right? So, it's trying we're just trying to from my perception, we're trying to keep the ditch open. I hate that you obtained the back view of Meyer when it wasn't your back view of Meyer originally, but you
   23:05  back view of Meyer originally, but you weren't informed that that was a drainage easement when you bought the house, which was terrible from the realtor's standpoint from my perception. You weren't >> even the title company listed on our title. title. title. >> I mean, we paid three, right, $3,000 extra for that view of the lot, which got in a day. But my other concern is just with the the dredging that's being discussed. When that was done in 24, there was too deep of dredge on the south pond which caused the water to exit too quickly and we lost some of the
   23:36  exit too quickly and we lost some of the shelf in that south pond dropped to about a 2ft drop about a 60 to 75 ft area and then the rocks had to come back in to kind of slow down the exit again. And so just kind of my question is just cautionary because some of the work that has been done doesn't look like it's been done all correctly because of those >> probably done correctly out there. >> Yeah. Well then we don't want it to continue to be done incorrectly. incorrectly. incorrectly. >> Wind was doing this for free.
   24:08  >> Wind was doing this for free. >> It's that
   24:38  >> Yes. >> And that's by Indiana.
   25:09  Thank you. when we just for the record when we talked to Meyer uh they had no idea there was a wetland back there when we brought it up that was the first time they knew about a wetland and just for the record I've only been in there a year and a half but I actually did meet with the core army engineers too out there you know to make sure it was they were doing everything right >> just for the recorders got water off the parking lot off the buildings to going back in Yes, Yes, Yes, >> it goes to the city, but it ends up back
   25:40  >> it goes to the city, but it ends up back there. there. there. >> And that's a public map. You get the >> city city storm water. That's where that map came from. >> So, we need a motion for that. >> Oh, go ahead, >> Molly. Early 1717 Somefield Drive. I live in that same neighborhood. It needs fixed flat out. That's what I'm going to say. There is bull thistle. There is poison him back there. I walked it last night. There's Bradford hair. Not. Yes. The Bradford invasive species pear that was already cut down. They're resp
   26:10  was already cut down. They're resp sprouting everywhere. I actually hit a beaver with my car the other day. So, the beavers are back. So, cuz he ran out in the road. So, I understand for I I don't live directly on that drain and I can understand the frustration of having a certain view for years, but everybody who has built in that neighborhood flat knows you built directly behind a commercial property. You're going to see it regardless. I'm just asking this board get it fixed
   26:41  I'm just asking this board get it fixed so I can stop having to spray my yard that I don't want to spray to get rid of the thistle and the himmlock and the brad repairs that everybody else plants. Thank you. >> Should I go right ahead? >> Can I speak one more time? >> Yes. >> Uh my name is Lindsay Hammer. I live at 1604 Somerville Drive. Um I'm the one with the honeybees. So, um I believe you have a packet that Chad gave to you back in uh March with information and his
   27:13  in uh March with information and his license and his spray. I would like a copy of both of those if he is the one that you guys choose to uh spray in the Lomax. I live I I assume I don't know if you guys have decided if the old Lommax is old Lommax or what you're going to do with that, but I I would like to propose
   27:43  and um if you're not going to dredge any of that because the house I am one of the three houses uh by the corner where it is locked off. I believe Barber Homes did the filled it in. Um, and my property line is if we're talking 75 foot off the is it the top of the hill edge of that drainage ditch or is it in the middle of the drainage ditch? Because
   28:14  backyard. But if it is the top of that ledge, that's in my kitchen. M the the the drainage easement starts at the the east of your property. >> Okay. So So my the end of my property line is 20 ft off the the ditch the old L. L. L. >> That's where the drainage easement starts according to the housing plaques. But But But >> I just wanted to let you guys all know that that's where it is. um if I need to
   28:45  that that's where it is. um if I need to put a sign out for B watch or for drift watch. watch. watch. >> Are you on uh B registry? >> I am. >> So I wasn't sure he checked it out
   29:15  >> I go out there, my husband go out there and spray or cut things down near that area, we can do that. But >> the last time it was sprayed, we didn't get a notification. And Mary told me, I talked to her last a couple weeks ago and she said, "Our address is not on the list to be receiving a letter. So, if there is spray that will be done, I won't know about it." >> You should be. You're against uh >> I agree. if the Lomax is going to be sprayed. But she said my name and address. I did not get a letter. I have talked to
   29:45  talked to >> other
   30:16  >> it serves no purpose. Me and Doug have talked about the old bowax from where the pond water comes out the from where the pond water comes out of the big pond into the old bowax open ditch from upstream from that towards her house serves no purpose other than catching debris and growing weeds and probably mosquitoes. So, I agree with her that it would be a good idea to fill that portion of the open old open lowmax in to alleviate the health issues for no
   30:47  to alleviate the health issues for no other reason. And then possibly reshaping the pond side towards the pond to where equipment can get around there to access the ditch better instead
   31:19  >> Well, we can bring that back, but we We'll come back to that. >> But I will also need the spray that's going to be used because of my honey. >> I can give you as far as >> window was the one that had me send those out to let land owners know. >> That's fine. I just wanted to let you know I never
   31:52  so going to the spraying and the mowing, um, I had also spoken with IDM about it because the wetlands are literally behind our home, um, and behind three of my neighbors, um, who couldn't be here today. Um, and so there's um, there's kind of misinformation. Um, and I have reached out to IDM as well because what I was told was in that area and I have a map that she sent to me and it says there should be no spraying, no mowing, um, no
   32:23  should be no spraying, no mowing, um, no dredging, no driving like you can drive on the area, which is that internal burm, right, that is located behind my house. Um, and I have that particular map and she said that she was going to resend you the map. So that um and that was back in March after we spoke to the board and it also would have the stipulations of like what you can and cannot do within the burm. Um and so um
   32:54  cannot do within the burm. Um and so um I have talked with several you know people um on the board and then the surveyor and what and I have I was out there that day as well with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Army Corps of Engineers had his for the mitigation site but then IDM has theirs for the wetlands. Um, and so the map that I have, um, especially when it comes to the, um, mowing and spraying
   33:24  comes to the, um, mowing and spraying and like, uh, Doug said, also the spray drift, um, this map includes on there the, um, that whole side of that BM. And then when we got the um IDM information, it says that there should be no spraying or mowing to down past the do not spray, do not mow signs. Um which are located on the east.
   33:54  which are located on the east. Everything has to be done on the west. Um and they are not allowed inside that BM because that BM is included within the map. So everywhere that it is highlighted there there should not not be any spraying any mowing and that includes the entire burm. >> Mary, did you get anything from my dam? >> I don't believe I have. >> You got >> I got a motion on the floor.
   34:25  >> I got a motion on the floor. >> We're going to get to make the crib >> and so and like and we I have been working with Raymond. I have tried
   34:58  away. Um, so again speaking to what you know the HOA president like we're willing to to
   35:29  >> Yeah, I can we can find that email where um Army Corp of Engineers drew the line on the uh east side of the Burm. Look, you're looking east to the west going up the burm, there's a vegetation change. >> Yes. >> Where uh Army Corp of Engineers said that's where the wetland stops. And I believe Evan White in an email agreed to that that represented it. Now, we'll find out to prove that. I think we need to I do I think we need to prove that just so it's on record and out and so um
   36:00  just so it's on record and out and so um and I think yeah there's there's a picture right there. >> Yeah. And I I have that pamplet that was given to us. Uh, and I think that we asked for when Emerson sent that map you drew for not not he presented. Emerson sent sent sent >> um Evans findings back >> as a reply which had all that in it. >> Okay. >> And so we'll get that. >> Yeah. And I that's we need to I mean it's just so it's on that I don't know
   36:30  it's just so it's on that I don't know if it's in the record or not but that's mayor we had Mary email Emerson just so Emerson made sure that Emerson had the same information we did to confirm what evidence said just so to make sure they were on their end on right and then then we had to she was initially the one that was was was >> correct she was yeah and like that's what I would want from the board is just to make sure that the wetlands are not disturbed Especially since now we do know that yes
   37:00  Especially since now we do know that yes but what we thought is correct those are wetlands and they were taken away in that sense and now you know it is finally coming about. It's just going to take time. So >> we know 75 ft easement out too. >> Thank you ma'am. >> Um do you want we don't have a 75 ft easement as a on each side? >> No the wetland there. No, >> no. We have up to the top of the hill. Well, why don't you tell them? You know where it's at. >> We have from the back of the houses over to the wetland and some areas I'm going
   37:32  to the wetland and some areas I'm going to guess that's probably only a little over 100 ft wide where where where >> Yeah, I think that >> where the cypress trees are for sure. >> Yeah, I think Yeah, >> cuz the cypress trees come in there where these cypress trees, >> we can't go into that cypress area. So, our ement in that area is very skinny. It's not very wide. And then it goes down into here and goes across the water in the middle pond. The wetland is on
   38:02  in the middle pond. The wetland is on the east side. But >> this not our east is the state easement, >> but it still doesn't that doesn't
   38:32  by engineers >> on both sides. >> Okay.
   39:04  I'm going to tell you 200 ft south of 38th Street. >> They've probably been dug out two or three times. >> Mhm. >> We're not taking that area very serious. Meyers power line is under that ditch right where the beavers are. And it just um dawned on me not very long ago that we're in there taking beaver dams out and we're not calling locate. And
   39:35  um we know >> I just thought I'd make you aware. How close is that to the corner where that that that >> it's you know where the T
   40:06  turns and goes east towards on the north side of the P towards the car wash. >> Yes. >> Towards what? >> Towards the car wash. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then when it gets back about to Myers pavement, it starts curving out and goes to that transformer. >> Okay. But I I really forgot about I remember when they put it in, but I forgot about it. it. it. >> Glad you didn't find it by surprise.
   40:36  >> Thank you. Okay, I need a motion. I move that we allow Kate's Farms to go in and mow what they can safely mow of the Lumax. And then that'll allow spray management to know what to spray when they come in to spray. And
   41:09  want to mow and maintain from their yard to the ditch and keep it mowed, then that wouldn't need to be sprayed. If the board would agree to that, >> yeah, he'll skip over it. >> If it if it's mowed, it won't need to be sprayed. If the trees and stuff are kept off of the bank between the homes and the ditch, then there won't be any spraying need to be done in there. trees on the bank that's going to grow down through there. >> Well, if they if the homeowners will keep it cut off, then we won't spray it. But if the trees start growing back up along the water, then they'll want to
   41:40  along the water, then they'll want to spray it again. That make sense? >> Yeah. >> All right. We got a motion. You can't go yet. yet. yet. >> Oh, I was just going to address that like we can check with our contractor cuz we have a contract
   42:18  >> Sorry to interrupt. >> No, >> no. You need a second. >> Yeah. So you for the mowing and spraying that we just talked about. >> Yeah. >> You just No, I'm just doing the mowing right now. >> Okay. >> Well, the spraying you said that way they know how to spray. >> Right. And then we'll do a motion to do the spraying. >> Okay. >> I'll second your motion. Just let them know it. >> Okay. All in favor say I. >> Wait. Let me I I like his suggestion.
   42:49  >> Wait. Let me I I like his suggestion. the homeowners do their mowing and keep the trees and the weeds and everything down. But I don't know how we're going to work that >> out. >> I don't either. >> I like to them to Well, if it's B, you going to have to do it. >> Would take a pretty good longboard to cut off a tree. >> Well, that's We got to keep them off. >> Yeah. Keep them off. >> I'll come back and >> Mhm. Yeah. Don't want to come back to 5ft tall trees. >> Yeah. I don't know how. >> Drive through there. I'll I'll drive through there and check it out a couple
   43:20  through there and check it out a couple times a year just make sure stuff's being taken care of. >> Got a lot of different land owners and some will maintain it and some won't. >> Sarah was commenting that the HOA may be able to take it over and if they hire it to be done and it should get done. >> We got I got a motion and a second. All in favor sign I
   43:51  Now we're going to go to the spray. >> I'll make a motion that we allow >> right away management permission to go in there and spray after it has been mowed so they know where to spray. >> Second from Kenny. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I opposed. >> Abstain. >> Motion carries. We're moving on to new business, the
   44:21  We're moving on to new business, the Little Newbie crossing discussion. In my investigation on the Little Newbie between Meridian Street and 22, I found two private crossings. Um, Um, Um, one's about a foot high, needs lowered. The other one's about 2 ft needs lowered. There's different ways the board can do it and partially pay for it, not pay
   44:53  >> Who are they for? >> Um, one goes to the the first one downstream goes to a home site, but the home site the home is no longer any good, but there still could be a home built there, and it's the only access to that property. The second one had have been put in when the two pieces were one piece, but the property's been split up. The crossing actually serves a neighbor to get to part of their ground that it's the only access to. So, they both got to be there.
   45:23  So, they both got to be there. >> Obviously, they didn't get permission or nobody. They just put it in and didn't get the permission to >> sometime long time ago. >> Long long time ago. It's not the people that are currently there, but >> Yeah, that's a problem. >> But they'd both be landlocked with >> the crossings. Yeah. >> So, we got to leave the crossing. >> So, is the board going to pay to remove them, lower them, put them back? >> I think you better get a price for >> You're going to have to Well, it'll be in a bid in a quote for the project. Just add that to it, though. >> What do you think?
   45:53  >> What do you think? >> Well, I think we're not in the business of building the crossings, >> right? But it's the only access, so we can't deny it. >> No, they they put it in theirelves. >> I doubt if we can legally landlock a property. property. property. >> I wouldn't say you could. I mean, we can check with Kyle. >> Yeah, I don't think we can either, but you know, they own own or the owner where where where >> I have some responsibility.
   46:23  >> I have some responsibility. >> But the people that bought there and own there now didn't do it. >> I know. Oh, >> I not in the business of building crossing, you know, either because we're supposed to tow. >> Raymond,
   46:54  one's in the Wilsons. >> Oh, one's in the Seab Bowls. Okay. goes from Jackson's Field to Seabol's house in the woods. >> You know, I don't I personally don't think we ought to pay for them, but I think if we do them on this instance, we're going to get them right and make sure they're done right versus them hiring a general contractor to come back and do them. >> The contractor didn't act like I talked to McCain's about doing private crossings like that. With them being railroad cars, thick steel, it's a lot easier to take them out and put them
   47:24  easier to take them out and put them back in than it is corrugated aluminum. Now, if the if they're damaged and rusted out when they get out, >> they're not going back in. >> They're not going back in. And that's on the homeowner. >> Yes. >> Well, we better get some more discussion. Do some more investigation. Bring it back. >> Well, to get the letter, I'll need to know what way you want to put in a letter for that stretch of ditch. It's about the last thing that I need for a letter to do the brushing and dredging of that stretch.
   47:57  Last feet, sir.
   48:27  >> That's what? >> Yeah, >> cuz I'm assuming that first one is way under size. >> I think it's I think they're as big as the one under Meridian, though. >> Oh, you do? Okay. >> The one under Meridian is not that big. As far as that pipe, that pipe's smaller than 22's pipe. >> Can we ask the county to put a new one under Meridian?
   48:57  and have him do a water shed and see if they're big enough. Um I I don't want to if if they're undersized pipe. They don't need to go back and changes the letter >> west of there. We put a 5-footer in 20 years ago. >> South of 22, >> right? >> South and west. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> But I don't know. I was thinking the one at that house was pretty small, but I could be wrong. >> The the first one's a bridge just south.
   49:28  >> The the first one's a bridge just south. That first crossing is a bridge, and then then there's another pipe
   49:58  grade? Do we know yet? >> Uh, I don't know for certain. There's 3 and 1/2 ft of mud got
   50:33  >> It just need it just need to be as aware of Street 26 right there by White Oak. >> Yeah, just let us know, Brandon. We got down there. Okay, moving on to other business. the lowmax open drain public hearing. >> Close the public meeting. >> Oh, wait. >> You got to close public. >> I'm going to close the public meeting. And now we'll move it into the >> public hearing. >> Public hearing
   51:06  the the Lowmax open drain public hearing. Uh the purpose of the alumni public hearing was to u increase the uh rates on the commercial rates um for my the parking lots and so forth. So for information purposes uh I'll read this here. Lax open number 625 292 home sites. Um
   51:36  sites. Um that's not right. 95 acres. >> 292 home sites. The acres are 1,222.86. Uh
   52:07  owners. Current rate $5 an acre, $20 a home site, $5 parcel, >> $5 minimum. >> Slow down, Doug. Five acre, 25 home site. What parcel? >> $5 parcel, $5 minimum for your
   52:37  acre stays the same. $20 per home site stays the same. $5 per parcel stays the same. $250 per commercial structure, $60 per hard surplus hard surface runoff acre, a $5 minimum, 4-year collection, a yearly assessment, $44,21,960. That is what we're uh having a public hearing about today. So, is there
   53:15  >> Seeing none, can the board members? >> Have we heard any objections? >> Objections. >> It was sent to all the corporals. >> Yes. So we're basically only changing >> commercial and har
   53:45  >> I just have a question. Um, so when I was looking at that,
   54:15  the LOMAX. You know, the LOMAX is very big, just not our our portion. Um, and so I when I was looking at that, it says that the assessment cost is 23,75960. Is that correct? And so that's saying what it will be now. >> Okay. Where are you coming up with your 23,000? 23,000? 23,000? >> Here on the print out that we got from you guys. It says total estimated annual maintenance assessment cost.
   54:46  maintenance assessment cost. >> It's it's computer right there. >> It's so I wasn't sure where that the shut off because now it's going to go from 49,000 to 95,000. >> Right. But they're going to it's going to be a 4-year shut off. >> Okay. >> But they're going to do work on that. That's what they was all just discussing before. before. before. >> The shut off is four times whatever it collects any collects that shut off. >> She's just she's just wondering why we need to have a fund with 100,000 sitting in it. >> Correct. Like couldn't could it like why
   55:18  >> Correct. Like couldn't could it like why does that just seems like a lot of money to be sitting in it? >> We can't control four years is the least we can >> and so that's how it's made by the state. state. state. >> Okay. Yeah. Got a question or if something would come up and need some big project work 100,000 wouldn't touch it it it >> right nowadays with the price of everything
   55:49  mean almost $50,000 so I was just trying to figure that out thank you anything from the >>
   56:19  signify by saying I. >> I abstain. >> One abstain. Motion carries. Moving on to the HC drain public hearing. it's a public hearing too. So I'll wait till you open the public hearing to present. present. present. >> I did open it. I closed it and open the public hearing. That's why we just have all the public hearings run together.
   56:51  all the public hearings run together. It's all good morning members of the board. My name is Andy Baro. I'm an attorney with Bakery Drinker Middle and Reef. We're here on uh this drainage request to vacate the Heimley drain. With me is Arthur Roden representing the developer, our engineer from Kimley Horn, Eric Quell, who is setting up uh the drawing for you to review. Just to level set on
   57:22  for you to review. Just to level set on where we've been, this project is in Gas City. City. City. uh both sides of the railroad south of 22 uh along 600 uh north 600 east. Um we were before you in December, December 9th of last year where we got approval for the things that we needed from the county board which you approved. Uh this has been annexed and reszoned in Gas City. So, Gas City has in section 155 its own drainage ordinance that we are
   57:54  its own drainage ordinance that we are have complied with and their standards are more stringent than the county and we have applied and will comply with those. So, today we're here to review and a very point to the portion of the Heimlick drain that we request to vacate. Now, this stems out of our our team spending tens of thousands of dollars looking at investigating what's out there, what needs addressed, what's not out there. Again, as a developer, in
   58:24  not out there. Again, as a developer, in gas city, under their standards, we have the obligation to maintain and protect adjoining owners and the drainage in this area for the solar belt. That's a legal obligation we have. We have committed to do that. So, uh, in that investigation and that work, what we found is, and Eric will describe sort of this portion of the LMAX drain, um, is not in existence, is not in place there. And in discussions with Raymond, the thought was, let's vacate it, at least
   58:54  thought was, let's vacate it, at least based on what we've discovered and the facts that are there. We have an idea that is not there anymore, and it'd be helpful for your maps and the county updating what they show to vacate this. So, we're here before a public hearing and I'll just level set on the statute on this in 3692735 subsection D. Here's the standard. A regulated drain should be vacated when these three things happen. The drain does not perform the function for which it was designed or con and constructed
   59:24  it was designed or con and constructed or it has become inadequate to properly drain all affected land under the current conditions. Number one. Number two, the expense of reconstruction outweighs the benefits of reconstruction. And number three, the vacation will not be detrimental to the public welfare. And that's what we have put in our petition and in our map to show we are not adversely affecting any other adjoining property owners, Gas City proper itself, any of the other adjacent owners not be detrimental to
   59:54  adjacent owners not be detrimental to vacate this portion of the Highland Frank. And with that, I'll turn it over to our engineer maps before you. Eric will point out to our map here and describe what we're proposing. >> Sure. And we we've been before you before to explain our findings from that investigation. So, I won't go as in depth as as the last time we were here. Um just a reminder, um 69 over here, State Road 22, kind of road 600 East. Um the portion of the High of the Railroad tracks is the only portion in question here. Um there was uh to remind you
 1:00:26  here. Um there was uh to remind you there was a utility pole placed through there. The damage behind the drain. It's not functional. South of this portion um and then north of that utility pole um it was also non-functional. So repairing that pole would not um not in itself make that drain functional as well. The portion north of the tracks which doesn't directly connect here but um that portion is functional and will be maintained along with its easement um with our development. Um this portion here is a clay tile that terminated with
 1:00:56  here is a clay tile that terminated with a clay block. Um it does not follow the path that um the county records have indicated. We did dig uh pretty significant trenches to try and find those areas both near the railroad tracks where GIS and county records showed that it should cross and then also where we found a culvert. Um neither of those yielded any
 1:01:27  this property is now pattern tiled. Um, and drainage being taken uh, away to Long Branch via those pattern tiles. Um, so the the Highland portion here does not function and does not carry drainage north of the tracks in any way. So that area hatched red is the portion we're proposing to vacate. Which go which proportion which portion are you proposing to vacate? Uh this area with the red hatch over at the top here. here. here. >> Everything's south of the railroad track.
 1:02:05  >> Yeah. Just a reminder, here's the records that we have of that property um with the pattern tiles. I believe this is Yeah, this is rotated. So we're into railroad tracks up here. 600 piece would be on this side. Pretty extensive pattern tile out there that carries drainage and outlets into the wall branch off the railroad tracks. >> And Doug has that map and he's looking at it as well. So it should be in our application. Do you have that? >> Yeah, I just I have the map you gave us a while back. Yeah, that's what you're
 1:02:44  >> good. There's houses. >> Yeah, unless you have any questions. >> Well, I just want to go this packet with them. Uh what's in this packet? >> Question. What about the two houses down there? there? there? >> Top forest area here. >> In the forest area. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, um, as far as we can tell, it it is surface flow, um, and would be picked up in these pattern tiles the same way anything else would or surface flow patterns. Um, it's
 1:03:17  grass area. Sorry, wooded area here in this area. So, similar pools. >> What's in there?
 1:03:49  sudden develop
 1:04:19  I know Mr. calls here to talk about his too and and let's and there is a pack at your page your the second page shows Jeff calls drains but and one thing I've expressed Arthur is if you you are not going to locate all the tile right >> all the private tile >> yeah you will not locate all and so my concern is right now whether you're talking about that homeowner where Mr. Stanley lives or whether you're talking about Jeff Gaul's propert or a tile that drains his property is today he had those people have free access to go find
 1:04:52  those people have free access to go find their their their problem without calling politely they should call somebody I get cuz they're on private property but today they can go walk out there and do it when your fence goes up they don't have that access right >> correct they have to make and they won't know they have a problem until they have a problem. >> Correct. But I I will say that a lot of the areas the the developed area is set back from the roads and a lot of the drainage features are along the roads. Um so we're not fencing in everything.
 1:05:22  Um so we're not fencing in everything. There would be pretty significant setbacks from there. >> But do you know their tile runs right on the road? >> Not all of them. Okay. So here here's my concern. I agree with you. The Heimling don't work like it's supposed to. >> Yeah. I think we can all agree on that and come to that conclusion. Um, but I think part of the drains board responsibility is to protect the people in the easement or the the wershed.
 1:05:54  discussion on record is that part of your company whether we're talking about different companies is to divert their sub soil water their ditch water to a different direction and get rid of and have them sign off and say I'm you know we run the tile to you we replace tile outside the fence you have free access to it you can now what you sign off that you will not hold us liable that's pennies on the dollar compared to what this project is um so I do and I've expressed this to Arthur. I have a concern about these people cuz today I
 1:06:25  concern about these people cuz today I don't know if that guy's got a basement in it. I don't know what Jeff calls got draining in his tile but today he can freely go out and look at it. The water don't move. He can walk out there and look at it and doesn't have to call anybody. And so I will encourage you um to address that and get that taken care of for the vacation of the hind lake. Um but we have other concerns too from legal counsel of what are we really
 1:06:55  from legal counsel of what are we really thinking. thinking. thinking. >> So yeah, that's fair. And you know legal told us to Yeah.
 1:07:25  with the three of us on the phone. What he's asking, I mean, is there a question about what we're vacating or what exactly is it? I I I don't object to the tableing, Mr. Chairman. I'm just asking what exactly is the concern and if Raymond has talked to him or what is he questioning about what we're vacating so that we can address that because we're happy to address that. that. that. >> Well, that's why I say that's why Kyle wants to look, you know, he wanted us to hear the presentation, then he wants to look through it and see exactly what we're giving up. >> I don't think you're giving anything up.
 1:07:55  >> I don't think you're giving anything up. I mean, you're you're >> we understand it, but like I say, well, I mean,
 1:08:26  been filed for petition? >> I have not received a petition >> When did you file it? Where did you file it? it? it? >> We did file a petition. Mary wouldn't have sent out notices in June, which we did send out. Had we not filed the petition, the petition has been filed.
 1:08:59  petition, the petition has been filed. >> We wouldn't we wouldn't be here today if that had not happened. >> So, do we just need to table?
 1:09:35  May 21st to to Mary. So file with with the drainage board secretary May 21st 20 26 for the record to a public hearing. Okay, you guys dead? Anybody from the public want to speak? Come upstairs, sir, and state your name and address.
 1:10:08  My name is Bren G. 3901 West 600 North. >>
 1:10:39  acres that cross through this property. Like we need your help to asssure that we can actually drain those properties if need be and maintain them. Um, so you know, I understand the point that where this him currently runs may not be the most valuable, but at the same time like we need access to that drain. Um, so I would encourage you guys to table this and to keep that hook drain um or make sure that we are at least satisfied that we can can drain our acres that fall into that waterhed.
 1:11:11  fall into that waterhed. >> Do you have any other alternative where you could redirect a drain? >> It could be redirected. Yes. Um, but like we haven't heard from anybody about doing that, you know, and like vacating this takes away a lot of your options in relation to draining that property. So, like yes, you could reroute it for sure and we'd be open to that, but you know, we need your help to make sure that it's done properly. >> So,
 1:11:42  >> So, would you possibly have a better drain going the other way than going the way it goes now? Um yes I think so but I mean we need to make sure we have assurance that so we can do that and maintain maintain maintain >> understand that's the biggest concern. So So So um yeah that's the point that basically we need your help to make sure that we have access to where those acres flow to. So >> thank you. So your drainage goes north through the highway.
 1:12:12  through the highway. >> It goes north and it would go uh to the east. If you look on um second page of your package, that is a map provided by Jeff G. You can see down in the uh >> you got I want you address this too. >> Yeah. In this in this packet the uh top left hand corner says tile. There's a red line and that is the water going to the long branch from your field west of Fres. >> Yes. My understanding is there's >> a piece of
 1:12:43  >> a piece of that right there's two tile markings on there. >> This is what we're talking about. >> Yeah. That one there's a separate one farther to the east. >> The one in the middle here is their water going to the east around the house. house. house. >> Sure. >> Now Arthur and I talked about the one on the north we're good. >> You are not even going to get close to correct. And then the other one that's somewhat off this map. I think you guys have it on yours. Kind of runs up this way onto the first
 1:13:14  then it comes up and then around the the residence that's here is what was represented. represented. represented. >> Correct. >> To the east. Okay. And current norer have any knowledge of that? I mean they said like the only tow they're aware of is one that Joe Seart did that kind of runs off this parcel here over the east like I'm not debating that there's something there like I said as part of this project if we damage anything in that area and adversely affecting you like we have to remediate that and that's already covered.
 1:13:45  that's already covered. >> Okay. Well, I mean I don't know. >> That's the whole point of what I'm asking for is to make sure that we have access that we can maintain that tile. Um that it's in good working order. I do think it's an old clay tile. Like I don't think it's anything new. So that's probably why we're not >> whatever it is too. Like we have setbacks, right? So we're 300 ft from a nonparticipating residence, 50 ft off a property line, 30 ft off a road. >> Yeah. But if you can reroute it too though a different way, right? Well, but I guess to Arthur's point, if if that
 1:14:15  I guess to Arthur's point, if if that tile falls out, well, you're set back. That's how far your fence will be. >> Correct. If that tile falls out of that that their tile falls outside of your then we'll have to reroute it cuz we have to maintain drainage in the area. >> All right. Hang on, man. I want you to stay that again. I didn't fall yet. You have to reroute it if it falls in your >> If it falls in the area and it's affecting drainage, right? Let's say that Brent here has like a tile that we are like driving piles through destroying like his drainage and ability to flow east that has to be remediated
 1:14:45  to flow east that has to be remediated on our end. >> But you you won't know you hit it until there's a problem. >> Correct. Cuz you're not going to look for it. >> I mean, we look for them as we go, but we're not going to catch every scaffolding. scaffolding. scaffolding. >> So, typically there's a period afterward where things are remediated for a period of time. I think that's covered off in the and and you know I I get what you're saying but that tile that you know you talked about the telephone pole that was driven through you know that who knows when that happened. Who knows if anybody saw it who knows what water it backed
 1:15:15  saw it who knows what water it backed up. So I think it's in good faith get these people tile out of your project so we can all ride off on it and go on and go on. And I think that's what we're going to do. Like if there's an issue, it'll be fixed >> before the issue happens. Just get it out of there. >> If if you have like a GPS tag of like where that tile is all the way to wherever it's draining further east, then we'll move it. There you go. >> Say that again. You can map where that tile is.
 1:15:46  tile is. >> You're saying there's an exact map of where it goes. >> Like what will you do with that? Like if I you know if it's in the project area if it's outside of the setback setback setback >> then we will just lay a tile east toward
 1:16:16  to save them of losing a crop >> we're going to get the tile you are going to get the tile outside the fence so you have access to it all the time. >> Okay. Well, that I mean that's Yeah. What we're trying to accomplish. >> Yes. Which is the best. So, what needs to happen is you guys got to get together. together. together. >> Well, I need a map. Yeah. Which you have the map and we just got to prove it's there by either digging it up or what I mean. How do you want to prove that it's there? Cuz this this is a map they sent. I mean, like I said, like Kirkwood have no record of it. So if you've got
 1:16:47  no record of it. So if you've got something, something, something, >> find it close to 600 East and find it halfway to 69 and find it over closer to 69, 69, 69, >> right? >> Identify
 1:17:20  >> or we just figure out like post construction if there's an impact if it is in fact within the project area and then it's remediated thereafter >> if he can show that it's headed to the area >> ahead of time >> and then you can redirect it before >> before yeah when is construction start >> is a crop going to be harvested >> it's hard to say at this point it will be before harvest Likely likely yeah from a scheduling perspective
 1:17:50  perspective perspective >> do we know can be rerooed and still do what 05 does? >> I mean I'm sure we can probably lay in different elevations. >> Yes. >> I mean that's it. >> It'll drain that direction towards 69. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. Along the highway is pretty low. So there's right elevations in the tile. I mean you can get that water to go east. east. east. >> Yeah. I mean, some of it goes to the north of some
 1:18:20  to the east side of the woods would go east. east. east. That woods
 1:18:51  the cuz the leg isn't working. If if your water was going to the lick, it would be sitting in a puddle right now. So, you've got to be getting out either through one of Presel's tile or through the long branch tile that comes off of the open branch. There's a long branch tile that comes into that field from the open long branch and feeds that which is more likely that your water is going into that behind it right through there >> inside the fence.
 1:19:21  >> inside the fence. >> That was how your dad was your dad Jeff dad. dad. dad. >> Yeah. >> Jeff sent dug a map
 1:19:51  with him either. You know how we going to fix him so he has access to >> drainage. I mean, we're 300 step back from his residence like >> Yeah. I mean, this So, this is a nonparticipating piece of property here,
 1:20:22  >> And that'll be where the east and west fence goes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I think there's a lot of questions still need to be answered. So, I'm asking for a motion to table it for legal to go through this to make sure this homeowner is protected. >> What are you usually talking? >> Well,
 1:20:52  yeah.
 1:21:25  them real quick. Which means Mary has got your email u your area. >> Yeah. >> May 21st with the petition. There's no writing on a petition. It's a blank petition petition petition >> on her end. So I don't know if the shot didn't come through. I don't know what happened. I just just just we'll show you the meeting. Actually I don't know the technology. I don't know what it is. I just want to address it cuz it got brought up. >> To which meeting would be would we meet
 1:21:55  >> To which meeting would be would we meet next? next? next? >> Well, I'd say the next two. >> Uh I don't think we have Do we have a meeting in June? >> July 28th. >> July 28th. Thank you. And Mary will go ahead and put you back on the agenda.
 1:22:27  >> So, can we be can we request to be placed on the July 28th agenda? >> I got a note. >> Thank you. Just want to make sure we're in the record. Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Moving on to the next public hearing for the ditch. Follow drain public hearing. I read this. Go ahead.
 1:22:57  Go ahead. >> Okay. Power drain number 600 public hearing. hearing. hearing. Um Um Um on this the notes that are on this paper for the power drain and then move over the board for comment. Uh, not mass county wave their rights to form a joint. >> Okay. Grant County has 110 parcels. Mass county has seven parcels and Delaware County has one parcel. Home sites in
 1:23:27  County has one parcel. Home sites in Grant County 37. >> Okay. >> Delaware County 0. Mass County 1 uh acres. Grant County 269.87 acres. Delaware County 4. Delaware County 46.5 acres. Madison County 52.96 acres. Uh 55 different land owners. Current rate, rate, rate, uh, dollar per acre, $10 per home site,
 1:23:57  uh, dollar per acre, $10 per home site, dollar per parcel,
 1:24:37  Uh it was petitioned uh on April the petition was filed April 6, 2026 uh by Mark Missioner and Ben Oling Inger. >> Do you does a board and someone on the board want to comment or R want to comment what needs to be done or what will be done? I know there was a question before the meeting. We took we took the ditch to a wrote letters for dredging a portion of the ditch back in
 1:25:09  dredging a portion of the ditch back in 2019. We were going to clean 10,500 ft of it. The bids came in way higher than what the amount was in the fund. So, it got dropped at that time and hasn't been pursued since. Mark came in and wants to have part of it dredged and there was not enough money. So raise the rate that needs worked on. It needs worked on down by the county line too. There is a county road with the water over the pipe, but the ditch is backed up so much that the
 1:25:40  the ditch is backed up so much that the water is over the culver under the road. on board. Anybody from the public want to speak? Get any objections, man? >> No, we did not. Thank you.
 1:26:17  >> Just state your name and address, sir. 5720 East 25 South Fair Chapel. You said they want to dredge a portion of it. What What's the portion? Where does it start? Um Mitcher addressed uh approached me about down by where it turns from going north and south to going east and west. South up 1050 south that there's tile down there restricted. He was wanting to pursue getting that opened up is what I was approached with.
 1:26:48  opened up is what I was approached with. >> But why dredge the middle of it? Why can't we start at the beginning where it should be done and done right >> and go that way? >> If we have enough money, we can. >> Well, you'll have to get it. >> Well, if he wants it dredged, yeah, let's get the money. >> That that that touches the board as far as which way they want to go first. >> Yeah. >> And we can go to the north and work our way south if >> But that's been dipped out many times. I
 1:27:20  >> But that's been dipped out many times. I can remember >> from 1050 to the railroad. >> Okay. >> They hard they they don't go any further. Just that portion and that water is not going anywhere unless you have an outlet. >> Yeah, I agree. >> And I cross some of it and you can't even see down through there to even see a creek. >> Okay. >> Well, with the pulling in $2,700 a year, there wasn't much money to do anything. >> Yeah. That's why they were doing short stretches, I presume, is because there
 1:27:51  stretches, I presume, is because there wasn't money to go further. >> But I can't see just doing part of it and not doing it right. >> Would you be opposed to an 8-year collection so it would get more money in it before it shut off >> because So right now, if at the rate they're proposing, it's going to pull in 24,000 a year. If it collects that for 4 years, then it's going to shut off. That's going to be around 90,000. And that I doubt that'll do the whole ditch. >> But if we if if we
 1:28:23  >> But if we if if we collect for 8 years, it'll get more money and it'll go longer. >> But it still only collect so fast. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Or or we can increase the rate and get more money in it faster so that we can do more quicker >> and people are going to complain. So I >> But why wouldn't you start at the beginning beginning beginning >> and then work backwards? >> If the beginning wasn't restricting any tile and the water was getting away, then there wouldn't be as much need as what there would be relieving a tile
 1:28:54  what there would be relieving a tile that was flooding out 40 acres. >> But all you're going to do is
 1:29:25  where worst is." What we got, what we're addressing today is to get the rate up so we can do this >> so we can get started cuz 2,700 $10,000 don't go very far. Oh. Oh. >> So, >> I'll go to the north and I'll start investigating there and check out the ditch before we make an assessment where to spend money. >> For sure. >> I don't know if he I don't know if we really know what all needs until he goes out there. >> I I don't like standing water and growing cattails. I I want water to keep moving. I like a skinny channel that's
 1:29:55  moving. I like a skinny channel that's got velocity versus a wide channel that sits there and gathers stuff. >> That is my approach. So until I go out and look at it, I can't I'm I'm not going to volunteer to dig a hole and leave 2T of standing water. That's not my approach. >> Well, there's cattails growing over on 550. 550. 550. >> And then that's another thing we can address in the future. If an area is low, we can start spraying those with this fund. Once we get the dredge, once we get the ditch open, then we can spray
 1:30:26  we get the ditch open, then we can spray those cattails. And but if it's dug too deep, I can't make it shallower.
 1:30:57  asked you if you are opposed to an 8-year collection or would you rather have a shut off in four years as a assume you're a taxpayer on this thing. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, I don't figure I'll be here in 8 years. So, I don't know. >> Just tell them 20.
 1:31:27  maintained. maintained. >> Leave it to four. >> Okay, I'll go with that. >> You'll go 48. >> Four. >> We can't change the date. Very nice for >> four. Mary said you can't change the date cuz we already open the surveyor. >> Okay. All right. Thank you.
 1:31:59  to. Um, the four years seems to make sense because if you fix the problem at the end, you may not have a problem where we're at. And if we do, I think speaking for him and myself, we would like to see it. We'd like to pay for it, have have it done, but you know, do it systemically from the beginning to the end, systematically rather. Um, the other thing we wanted to bring up, I forgot, is that we would like some sort of insurance that on our particular portion of the property, the last several times it has been dredged, it has been put on our side. So, we're
 1:32:30  has been put on our side. So, we're significantly higher on our side than the other side, commissioner side that he happens to be running. Um, and we would like to have some voice in to say, hey, let's put it on the other side this time. I don't know what the process or procedure for that is. Um, whether it's just a note in the meeting, but uh or commun just some odd communicate that uh uh when we do if we do get to that far, come all the way up, let's put it on the other side. That's easier to do it on our side. And I'm sure that's
 1:33:00  do it on our side. And I'm sure that's why it's done. >> But uh >> generally it's the path of least resistance, resistance, resistance, >> right? And I get that's why it's been done, but it's been done at least two times prior. We're probably pretty sure of not three. And it's if you go out to UC is significantly higher, which causes a watershed away from the, you know, towards which we just want to have that address. Take that, have a look at that. But it's not a uh hill of dion yet until you guys decide where you're going to start. start. start. And if you're at the top end, it's going
 1:33:30  And if you're at the top end, it's going to be a little while before we get there. there. there. >> Okay. >> At 24,000 a year, I mean, you can only go so far with 24,000. >> Are
 1:34:01  that area simply because it can't go downstream as quickly as probably it should.
 1:34:32  restricted tile and leave them before you worry about the debris in the bottom of a deep ditch that's not holding that tile.
 1:35:03  lot lower than St. Paul's. So, but you know,
 1:35:33  not a problem. Um, but we just want to make sure that we're just not, like you said, building another pond. >> Yeah, Raymond go out there and produce his best. >> I'd appreciate that. Even if it doesn't directly benefit me in my backyard, I'd rather it's going to benefit us long term if we can get it taken care of downstream. downstream. downstream. >> Okay. >> Thank you, sir. Thank you.
 1:36:33  you're looking at doing is all south of that up up the ditch. That has been brought to my attention that I will investigate the ditch before money gets spent as far as what needs it the most. I I I agree that it needs to be brought from the bottom all the way up to the top and it would be nice to do that, but again, I go back to if there are tile that are underneath water and fields are getting drowned out, that should take a priority versus opening
 1:37:04  should take a priority versus opening enough drainage that's not holding anything back necessarily. So then my question comes back to are you still looking at what would you say 10 how many feet 10,000 square linear feet you were looking at dredging the ditch was the original plan >> that was back in 2019 >> 2019 you have >> that was just a portion of the ditch. >> Are you looking So my question is are you looking at going back to that? Are you going to re uh reestablish that and basically rebid that whole project and perhaps double the total length of the
 1:37:34  perhaps double the total length of the project in the bid? >> That that portion may not even be in the bidding net once analyzed. If if there are multiple tiles up at the top that are restricted and held back, from my perception as a surveyor, those need relieved. And this portion may not even be the portion that gets touched depending
 1:38:04  10,000 10,000 ft maybe if there's no trees. The
 1:38:35  scrutinized which areas >> and and once again I want to clarify how many total acres are we talking about here in the Fowler ditch? You you said a number that seemed kind of low to me. I I thought it was uh less than 3,000 acres. acres. acres. >> Look it up for you. >> That was a good >> uh the uh Yeah. So the acres on um Grant County. Yeah. So, there's three counties involved in this, >> correct? Grant, Madison, and Delaware. >> Correct. Grant County 269.87. >> Yeah, that seems a little low to me, but Okay. It is a narrow watershed. Uh,
 1:39:07  Okay. It is a narrow watershed. Uh, Simmons on the east side of 69 and then >> Okay. >> Um, uh, n new dueling ditch. >> Ding. New dueling ditch on the west side. I got it. Okay. All right. You good? >> I'm good. Thank you. >> Anyone else? Seeing none, I need a motion. >> This proposed rate. Make a motion that we going to make a motion. We propose
 1:39:39  we going to make a motion. We propose second. second. second. >> All in favor by say I. >> I. Opposed. Motion carries. >> Make a motion. Make a motion to journ July 14th 2nd 2026 board meeting. >> All in favor say I. I
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