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    6:07  Okay, good evening. We're going to call to order the Maring Common Council meeting. Today is June 3rd, 2025 at 7
    6:14  p.m. in the Marian City Council Chambers here in City Hall. And before we started tonight, going to change it up just a little bit. Uh, as those of you that are
    6:23  watching at home or those in the audience might have observed uh the graphic tonight behind me or on your YouTube screen, um, if you're not sure
    6:32  who that is, you might not have lived here very long. Uh, as everyone knows, that's Ed Breen. And Ed Breen recently
    6:39  passed away. Um, I can't even encapsulate the words uh about Edbring and what he's done in our community and
    6:48  the voice that he's had for so long. So, I have asked Councilman Klein to say a few words about Edbring. He probably knows him better than most of us up here.
    6:58  Thank you, Mr. President. Yeah, I met Ed uh first day on my job at the newspaper in
    7:06  1973. It was in the summer and since then known him a as a boss and a colleague
    7:13  uh as a neighbor for several years as a friend since 1973 and as a mentor even not at the
    7:23  newspaper. He was just one of these guys that cared about the community in talking to other folks who knew him. Um,
    7:32  one of our other editors who's not here, who was very good in his own right, said
    7:39  that Eddie taught him how to be how to make how this could be a community
    7:46  newspaper. And he was in and of the community. He got the community talking both with his columns and his
    7:55  reporting at the paper, then for years over at the radio station. He did it in
    8:01  Fort Wayne as well. Um, this is the time of year when when we lived across the street from each other, we'd share
    8:10  porches and we'd open the m Thai season. He would have a friend who would come in. He was a brother Patrick who
    8:17  was I can't remember what order he was, but anyway, he would come in and I'd get a caller and yell at me from the porch,
    8:25  Klein, get over here. We got to open the my Thai season. Um, on the other hand, he's the only person who ever, he said he's the only person who ever threw a coffee mug across a newsroom at someone.
    8:36  It was me, and it still had coffee in it, and neither one of us could remember. But he was he taught he got
    8:44  the community talking. He got the community listening. He he built a chunk of this
    8:53  community that the community probably doesn't even recognize.
    8:57  Um, people do things, say things, hear things, think things that at one time or another Eddie would have talked about.
    9:05  And we go to we're going to be going to 1812 again. That wouldn't have happened without him. And uh, the little Colonel
    9:13  Marty Lake. Um, I know there are other people here who knew him and worked with him. Before I get too choked
    9:23  up, who could say things? This This is serendipitous. Audrey, his
    9:29  daughter, posted this on Facebook, and it's something that Eddie
    9:37  posted last year, last May. He says, and this is how he would start when he was going to say something genius, he would
    9:44  he very often would start out as he does here. Not to get too deep here, but there is a beauty in the
    9:55  living. Hang in there, folks. I'll get there. There's a beauty in the living and also in that which has run its
   10:02  course and has settled into an orderly transition. Just a little something to ponder on a trip to the woodlands here
   10:09  in Indiana. Thank you. Just another one of those Edreen moments, right? We all have had many of those Ed Breen moments and we're going
   10:17  to miss those. So, I appreciate that, Councilman Klein. And uh Thank you for the time. Yeah, absolutely. All right, we're going to move on with the regular meeting and
   10:26  begin with prayer. Pastor Lucas Binkard from Bethl Worship Center is here tonight to lead us in p uh in prayer.
   10:34  Thank you for coming tonight. Just hit the red button on the microphone.
   10:41  Let's pray. Father, we thank you first and foremost for who you are. It is our privilege to honor you and uh we thank
   10:49  you for the gift of your son Jesus and for the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us. I thank you for this council and I thank you for every decision that they
   10:57  are going to make and for the business business that they're going to discuss tonight. And I pray that you would give them wisdom and clarity of mind and
   11:04  speech. And I pray that Lord that we would all remember that it is an honor for us to serve in this capacity in this city. And I thank you for this
   11:11  community. I pray for favor and blessing on every decision going forward. And I thank you, God, for everything that you do for us, even when we don't even
   11:20  realize it. I thank you for the life of Ed who has uh gone on to be with you.
   11:24  And I pray that God, you would uh help us honor him in this community by getting the community talking in a different way. Lord, I thank you, Jesus,
   11:32  for this time. I pray that it's blessed in Jesus name. Amen. Thank you. Thank you, pastor. And Councilman Jim Brunner is going to lead us in the pledge today.
   11:42  I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
   11:51  under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
   11:57  Thank you. All right, going into roll call.
   12:01  Madame Deputy Clerk, here. Marshall here.
   12:08  here. Here and moving in tonight's community
   12:18  spotlight, Nathaniel Beck, come on up all the way to the very front. I didn't tell him this part. Come all the way up
   12:28  here. For those that haven't seen community spotlights, if Nathaniel's ever seen one, thanks for coming. Of course. Yeah. Nice to finally meet you. Yeah.
   12:37  Um so we like to highlight various things in our community whether it's businesses
   12:44  um and just groups and entities, students or any of our citizens really.
   12:51  Um but tonight we are spotlighting Nathaniel Beck. And to be honest with you, Nathaniel, I had already asked him
   12:59  to be community spotlight. And I had no idea that you were the valictorian when I asked you. I went to the graduation at Marian on Sunday. My niece graduated and
   13:08  there you are the valadictorian. I said, "Go figure. This guy, I don't know what he has not accomplished at Marian High
   13:15  School and we are just so proud of you, the council, the community. You know, there's a lot of great things in our
   13:22  community. U but the people are what make it the best. And you are just graduating high school, but I know
   13:30  you're going to do great things. and we're hoping and crossing our fingers you come back and do great things in our community as well. Uh I'm just going to read a little bit just summarize a few
   13:39  things. I had Nathaniel send me some things about himself and it was more than one page. Um so I appreciate you doing that. I summarized it. Um so I'm
   13:48  just going to read this. So Nathaniel Beck is a distinguished student athlete recognized for his exceptional academic and athletic achievements graduating as
   13:56  validictorian with a 5.1 GPA. So, you what? Never had less than an A+.
   14:02  Oh my goodness, that's great. Uh, Nathaniel is a n national merit commended student, AP Scholar with
   14:09  distinction, and a 2025 Indiana association of school principles academic all-star. He was honored with
   14:16  the IHSA Foundation's 2024 2025 Eugene C. Ko memorial scholarship and named a
   14:23  rising star of Indiana. Um I think there was only just a handful of people in Indiana that got that right. 40 40
   14:31  seniors in the entire state and we have one of them here in Marian. So that's amazing. Um a dedicated leader, Nathaniel served as senior class
   14:39  officer, president of the National Honor Society, secretary of MU Alpha Theta and co-founder leader of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. He has also
   14:48  contributed to an 11th place team finish at the 2022 MU Alpha Theta National Convention. And athletics, Nathaniel
   14:55  earned 16 varsity letters across four sports, soccer, cross country, wrestling, and track and field. Serving as team captain in each. He is a
   15:03  four-time state qualifier, 11 times regional qualifier, two time semi-state qualifier, and this has been updated
   15:11  since, but a one-time state qualifier now. Right. You're going to state. Yeah, it's on there. Is it okay? I said I thought I put it in there. He did have a You know what? Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
   15:22  Oh my gosh, I just can't keep up. You have so many things. I did say that four times they quiver, but yes, uh the one I'm talking about is the one coming up
   15:30  here. Uh let me finish all of these things here. Uh seven times uh all North Central Conference honore and a multiple
   15:38  time recipient of team awards for performance and mental attitude. His leadership and dedication exemplify the balance of academic excellence and
   15:46  athletic commitment. And yes, so his um 4x4, is it 4x4, right? 4x8. You're 4 by8. Oh geez, that's even worse. That
   15:55  hurts thinking about it. Um his 4x8 team is going to state. U they've got first place at regionals. So, not only is he
   16:03  balancing all of these sports, which is a lot of time and commitment, but he's excelling at those and also never getting anything less than an A+. In
   16:11  fact, more than an A+ because of a 5.1 GPA. I can't overstate um how amazing that is. And of course, stay humble, but
   16:20  we're really proud and you should be really proud of yourself. And I'm sure your parents uh and your family are very proud. Um but our whole community is
   16:28  very proud of you. Um, I've been Facebook friends with Allan for a long time. So, I've kind of watched you grow up a little bit on Facebook. That's the advantage. But you're like, who's this
   16:36  guy talking, right? Um, but no, it's been really neat just to watch you grow up from afar and um, just hear and see
   16:44  all the accomplishments you've made. So, really proud of you. Would you like to say anything? Um, make any comments?
   16:52  Thank you to my family. Um, they're the reason I'm here and I've done all these things. So, love you guys.
   16:59  All right. And yeah, absolutely. And he he does they live in
   17:07  uh district three. So um Councilwoman Divine, you want to say anything special being the District 3 representative?
   17:14  Thank you. And I went back and talked to them as well, but uh super excited for you and we're looking forward to hearing the next things going on. So congratulations.
   17:22  She's only one of 40 council districts in the state that can say that she has a rising star of Indiana. So, thank
   17:32  you so much for coming tonight. Thank you parents. Um, thank you Allan. I've reached out to him and and connected with him and um we just appreciate all
   17:40  you're doing. And so, tell us where are you going to college? I'm going to Purdue University for chemical engineering. Chemical engineering. Okay.
   17:46  So, that sounds pretty important. What kind of chemical engineering area are you wanting to go in? I'm not sure specifically. It could be developing new
   17:54  materials or working on recycling or renewable energy. Okay, sounds good.
   17:59  Well, you picked a great university. I'm glad you're sticking within Indiana and you're a drive away to come back to all the basketball and football and all the sporting events because you got a younger brother here, right? Oh, yeah.
   18:08  So, you're going to come back and support all his athletic events and all that? Of course. Good deal. Okay. Well, appreciate you coming in. One more round of applause for Nathaniel. Yeah.
   18:20  So, we're going to get a photo with
   18:27  you. It's picture time. And uh
   19:58  Yeah. And that's probably just like the readers for these older people in the car. That's a reader digress version of it, too. Okay.
   20:07  Switching it up a little bit to city employee spotlight, which officially now I guess we could say it's former city employee
   20:15  spotlight. Um, retired police sergeant Sean Seismore. So Sean, where you at in the audience? You got to come all the
   20:23  way up. It's part of the gig. So as he's walking up, I will say he is also a city council president or
   20:30  town council president and he uh gave up a little bit of that meeting tonight to come to ours. Uh the town council president in Van Beern, right?
   20:40  Upland. You're fired.
   20:43  Look, Upland. Upland. My bad. It's the same side. I'm from Marian. It's the same side of the county. Uh
   20:52  Upland. My bad. I'm just checking. Um Upland. I know you're town council president. I got enough business going on here. I can't follow Upland. I'm not sure.
   21:03  Anyways, um Sean recently retired from the Maran Police Department. Yesterday was technically um his last official day
   21:11  as a city employee and um he's done a lot of things. I'm going to read something here in a minute that Chief Gilbert sent me, but um it was it was a
   21:20  no-brainer, not only because you're retiring, but I know Shawn as well. A lot of us here know Shawn. Done a lot of things. Spent 20 years dedicated to this
   21:28  city. Uh I first met Shawn through the uh Grant County Crimestoppers Board. He was our coordinator for some time and got to know him there and uh always had
   21:36  a respect for him as a just a just the real deal straight shooter, hard worker and um uh we're just really glad that
   21:45  you put 20 years for the city and we are honored to have you. So I'm going to read what Chief Gilbert wrote. Um the last paragraph's on the screen. I couldn't fit all of it. So I'm going to
   21:53  read it right off my computer here. It says Shan Seismore has been a fantastic servant leader for Marian Police Department and the citizens of Marian
   22:01  for two decades and that after serving our great country in the Marine Corps.
   22:06  Shawn served in several important roles including patrol officer, detective, evidence technician, patrol sergeant and honor guard commander. No matter the
   22:14  job, he was reliable, accountable, and effective, accepting and dominating every challenge and tough assignment.
   22:20  Countless citizens have been helped by virtue of Shaun's commitment to service and duty. Every candidate seeking a job in law enforcement says during his or
   22:28  her interview that the reason they want to be a police officer is to quote help people. Shawn said it too, but he actually meant it sincerely and prove
   22:36  that sincerity literally hundreds of times by his actions, most of the time without fanfare or recognition. Shawn's personnel file is packed full of
   22:45  commendations, far too many to itemize here. What is noteworthy about all of them is that is guaranteed that when presented, Shawn will always respond
   22:53  with a variation of, "It was really nothing, Chief. I was just doing my job." And he meant it. As a partner,
   23:01  Shawn's fidelity to his fellow officers and their safety was paramount. If you were on Shawn's squad and needed backup, you knew he would be there no matter the
   23:10  danger or risk to himself. Further, this officer willingly stood up to career violent criminals who others feared in order that good people could feel and be
   23:18  safer. Shawn accomplished many noteworthy things in his career, but his contribution to the creation, professionalism, and leadership of the
   23:25  Maran Police Department Honor Guard stands out. Shawn was committed to honoring our fallen and retired partners and their families with distinguished
   23:33  services when they passed. Importantly, this officer was recruited to serve as an integral part of a statewide team tasked with providing dignified funeral
   23:42  services for police officers killed in the line of duty in Indiana and still contributes in this capacity. Shawn also
   23:49  participated in dignified services at the National Police Memorial Ceremonies in Washington DC. In summary, Shawn
   23:56  served with distinction and has been a fantastic partner. He will be missed dearly, but on behalf of the entire department, we wish him well as he
   24:04  begins the next part of his journey away from Maran Police Department. And we know that no matter what vocation he chooses, Shawn will always bleed Marian
   24:12  Police Department Blue and will always be our partner. Congratulations and thank you for your dedication, Sean. You served well. And that came from um Chief
   24:20  of Police David Gilbert. Thank you, Chief, for that.
   24:23  [Applause]
   24:28  So, we just wanted to say thank you for your service and um we did actually have a flag raised over city hall all day today and we'd like to present you with
   24:37  that flag. It's a 3x5 flag that we flung over city hall for you to take your last day or your first day as a civilian and
   24:45  uh we appreciate your service. You like to say anything real quick? You have to now. I gave you the mic.
   24:51  Yeah. Uh just, you know, I think Chief Gilbert, you know, 20 years ago, he gave me the opportunity to do the greatest
   24:58  job in the world. Um through the last 20 years, we I've seen a lot of bad stuff, death, and destruction that the normal
   25:07  person doesn't want to see. And we carry that with us day in and day out.
   25:11  And my goal throughout my whole career was just to help people. Unfortunately, we have to take somebody's freedom or or
   25:20  even worse. And I've met a lot of great people in this community potentially on the worst day of their life, but they have no idea how they touched my life.
   25:29  And I remember that day as if it was yesterday. And again, I got the opportunity to get my first badge from Chief Gilbert, and I had the distinct
   25:38  opportunity to get my last badge from him, and I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.
   25:52  So, of course, we got to get a picture now with you. Did you bring anyone with you tonight? All by yourself. Okay. Can you come up front and center? Chief, you
   25:59  want Chief, you got to get in on this one. Chief, you have to get in on this one.
   26:07  Or anyone else? Thank you. Thank you.
   26:18  Come on. You're fine.
   26:30  You can see two shiny.
   26:48  All right, here. Let's Let's even this up a little bit. Don't stack up in the hall like that, guys. That's dangerous.
   26:55  Stacking up. All right.
   27:23  behind your service. See you around. Talk to you later.
   27:38  Yeah. Be on the lookout for him. He I won't say the name, but he works for a local bank and uh he's a repo guy. So, if you're not making your
   27:47  payments, you might be seeing him
   27:49  [Laughter]
   27:54  soon. All right.
   28:01  Back to Ed. All right. Okay. Moving on to the consent agenda for the approval of minutes.
   28:08  Regular meeting and executive session meeting May 20th, 2025. Consideration of pre-approved claims and consideration of claims. Anyone have any comments?
   28:18  Otherwise, if not, I would accept a motion.
   28:22  Mr. Mr. President, I would like to make a motion that we approve the consent agenda in its entirety. Second. Motion by Councilman Calgill, a second by Councilman Klene. Any other discussion?
   28:35  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kain I. Marshall. Abstain. Forice. I. Brunner.
   28:43  Abstain. Klene. Yes. Divine. Abstain.
   28:51  Yes.
   28:52  Calgill I McKinley yes all right consent agenda is
   29:00  approved moving on to committee reports we have any committee reports I will start out real quick um I
   29:11  am the vice president of the Marian redevelopment commission so the reason I was gone last meeting is some of us commissioners took a trip um to a
   29:19  convention it's called the ICS convention in Las Vegas. It was a two and a half day trip very quick. Um where
   29:26  a group of us went out there. We used to as a city go there 10 plus years ago or eight plus years ago. Um and for those
   29:34  you don't know that convention actually is what helped garner some of the development down south in Marian that whole area where Meyers and some other
   29:41  developments. Um it's a huge convention where there's retailers and developers um that come from all over the country and the world really. And so we took a trip out there. A lot of great meetings.
   29:53  Um some cool stuff that might be coming our way to the city. And I think the trip was well worth it. Made a lot of great connections, talked to a lot of
   30:02  developers and um uh we're just super excited. I know the mayor was there for a short moment, too, and and sat in a
   30:10  couple of the meetings. But uh I share that just because, you know, a lot of people don't see the behind the scenes of what's going on every day. You might see a snippet on Facebook here and there
   30:19  or you hear a rumor here and there, but I can tell you the gas pedal is down and it's down pretty hard right now. There's a lot of things when it comes to
   30:27  developments and talking to developers, they don't want things out until the the ink is dry. Um, but I can say the mayor's doing a fantastic job. Um, and
   30:36  there's a lot of stuff we'll say for the younger kids. A lot of things cooking on the fire right now, right, mayor? And, uh, we're I'm just really excited. I
   30:44  came back just like super pumped about some of the things that we talked about and some of the meetings that we had. So, just want to give you a quick recap.
   30:51  That was why I was gone. Uh but also it was kind of a committee report from the redevelopment commission. Any other committee reports?
   31:04  All right. Um Oh, Councilwoman Divine, you have one. Okay. I just wait. Yep. I was waiting to see if anybody else had
   31:10  one. Um the board of works met yesterday. Um and I missed some of the
   31:17  beginning of the meeting about the bus switch outs from um transportation department, but I assume those were
   31:24  approved. And then um the HVAC control system bid opening, which I'm sure they took under advisement, and we'll get
   31:31  more information about that at the ne after the next meeting. Um they did agree to an easement that the city was
   31:41  working on through the engineering department um and approved the bid recommendations for
   31:48  um for the paving and for the um Buck Sports complex parking lot paving. And then they had a discussion about
   31:56  additional safe structure unsafe structures and are working their way through a new process with those um as
   32:03  well as uh kind of um approved a policy internally that they're going to use as
   32:09  a way to um prioritize which unsafe structures are the most unsafe in that
   32:17  they should be demolished as quickly as possible versus ones that maybe have some structural that have um interested land owners that are still working on
   32:26  them and working their way through those so as to best use the city's demolition dollars and as well as trying to work
   32:34  with the homeowners to get them back up to uh to code and to a habitable condition. So that was a interesting
   32:42  conversation. Glad to see them working that way and trying to find the right ones to bring down for safety purposes and the other ones to get them repaired at the level that they should be.
   32:53  So that was the border of works. Great.
   32:56  Thank you so much. Any other committee reports? Yeah, council Brunner or Councilman Brunner
   33:03  Park Board. We're happy to announce that after some very cold weather uh last week we had some warm weather and we
   33:11  finally got the splash house open and now that the kids are all out of school, it's going to be open again because we're expecting really nice warm
   33:20  temperatures this week. So, uh, get your youngsters out there and have them enjoy it. But the Splash House is now officially open.
   33:28  Great. That's exciting. Such an asset to our community, too.
   33:32  All right. Any other committee reports? All right. We'll move on to unfinished business. Starting with
   33:39  general ordinance 10-2025, vacation of portion of public way, third reading.
   33:46  An ordinance vacating a portion of the alley in the 1700 block of West Sixth Street. Vincent Msovvich petitions to vacate a portion of Geneva Avenue
   33:55  alleyway in Marian, Indiana, citing various reasons. The petitioner, Vincent Mskovich, is the owner of the property at 1718 West 6th Street, Marian,
   34:03  Indiana. MSV is seeking to vacate alleyway adjacent to lots number 4 through 29 and lot number 34 in
   34:10  Parkersburg edition. The two property owners have not yet consented. The reason for the alley vacation is that the alleyway is unnecessary for access
   34:19  to adjacent land owners, emergency vehicles, or utilities. The city will no longer maintain the area, transferring maintenance responsibilities to the
   34:27  petitioner, and the alleyway does not contribute to neighborhood growth or public benefit. Speaking attorney Joseph Certain, welcome.
   34:40  Thank you very much. Uh, I don't have a lot to say a lot I can add. This being the third meeting, third reading of this. Um, I think you have all heard it.
   34:49  You probably are all aware that this is a dedicated alleyway uh on the west side of
   34:55  town through what's now a forest uh that has never been improved. uh and it would
   35:02  have no ill effect on or adverse consequences to any access from any of the emergency vehicles or the public
   35:10  way. So I'd kindly ask that uh this you approve the uh this dedic
   35:19  this reject approve this alleyway.
   35:26  Thank you. Any council members with questions or statements, comments? Mr.
   35:34  President, I have uh met a couple different times uh with with the neighbors uh especially Mr. Brown
   35:43  expressed his displeasure with this uh vacation. It does affect him in a way.
   35:56  Uh there's been ongoing violations in that alleyway. Uh it's taken up time
   36:03  from our city administration, from Mike Graph, from Jerry Fosnite and so forth.
   36:10  Um, I would like to see if this alley was vacated that there would be 100%
   36:18  uh agreement between the neighbors uh for this to go through seeing that
   36:25  there's not there's 50% of the people that are against it in reality
   36:32  and I personally cannot move forward with this myself. So,
   36:39  um I don't know if others have have looked at that property or not, but there is issues with that ongoing issues. There's been issues in the past.
   36:49  Um and so I for one will not be voting for this. Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Kaine. Any other council members?
   37:00  Council Klein. Yeah, thank you. Um, the lawyer in me says something that Mr.
   37:09  Certain had said earlier that our issue isn't what the neighbors think, want, or have done or have seen, but it's excuse
   37:17  me, but it's just the alley. But in the back of my head, I also have the thought, and I've been out
   37:25  there. I've I've wandered around. I haven't talked to anybody like Councilman Kaine had, but I I drove out there and w got out and looked around a
   37:34  little bit as much as and um you know what we heard at the public hearing and
   37:42  beyond wasn't really far-fetched. And while the issue may not
   37:49  be what kind of neighbor he is or what kind of business owner, whatever he may be, um the fact that sticks in my head that
   37:58  there are still two folks there who don't agree with this and that troubles me.
   38:06  Um because if this is vacated, what's to stop that from
   38:15  becoming like the rest? And and still again another headache for Mike Graph
   38:21  and his and um Jerry Fight and and those folks. I'm torn.
   38:29  Um, yeah, as for an alley, that's the issue before us and I
   38:37  understand that, but it's also a neighborhood and I just have a hard problem with that. Thank you.
   38:47  Thank you, Councilman Klein. Any other council members?
   38:54  I do have a question. And um so with this vacation, just so I understand better,
   39:02  um this would hate to say the word benefit, but this would also vacate the alleys for the neighbors. Is that correct?
   39:13  Pardon me. That is correct. However, we're talking here about four lots along
   39:19  the side of the alley and one lot on the street on this south end of the street, Park Avenue. Uh otherwise, all the
   39:28  property in and around the alley from Geneva Avenue all the way through is owned by the petitioner here, Mr.
   39:36  Msovich.
   39:38  uh vacation to the alley will not affect adversely anybody's access. As far as
   39:44  the comments from Mr. Brown uh the last meeting, uh his comments generally
   39:52  revolved around his concern with the children or and kids in the neighborhood
   39:59  uh being disturbing to them. That has nothing whatsoever to do with the alley or the alley vacation.
   40:07  that will not change. If he has problems with the children, there are ordinances that he can bring to bear to have that
   40:16  remedied, but that didn't have to do have anything to do with the vacation of the alley.
   40:23  Thank you for that. Any other council members? Vice President Ford Ice.
   40:30  Yes. And I understand where uh Dave's coming from and and Mike's coming from, but Here's here's my point on the issue
   40:39  is right now with the alleyway anybody can travel through that all those lots
   40:48  towards the back of those houses. I mean right now it doesn't stop anybody from driving down through there if
   40:55  possible with this vacation. It stops that there's nobody allowed to transfer through those back of those properties.
   41:05  It actually deeds half of the alley to each property owner. So, not only would it stop people from traveling through
   41:13  that alley, it would deed half of the alley to Mr. Brown. And I I don't see
   41:20  where that would be a negative impact in my opinion. So, that's my say on that and I wanted to make sure to clarify that.
   41:31  Thank you for that. I will also go ahead reiterate I reiterate that uh there's two adjacent land owners that
   41:41  are against this and that's enough for me to uh vote no against this. Uh if
   41:48  there was everybody in agreement I would certainly agree with you Mr. Ford ICE on moving forward with this vacation, but
   41:55  when you have uh more than one, you have two property owners that are against the vacation, I certainly can't move forward with this. Thank you, Mr. President.
   42:08  Thank you. Any other council members? Was there somebody else? Okay.
   42:22  Is there somebody else that wanted to speak?
   42:28  It's not. Is Is he If that's Vincent though. Is that Vincent? Go ahead. Turn your microphone on.
   42:36  Excuse me. I'm Randy Miller from RMA Surveying and Engineering and I prepared the survey. Um I've known and worked for
   42:45  both Lloyd Brown and Miscovich. There is an ongoing running feud. It's as bad as Hatfield McCoy's,
   42:54  maybe worse.
   42:57  Um, the area before Mr. Viscus had the property, people would throw some trash
   43:04  back there. His concept is if I can own all the property, I can clean it up. And that's important to me. Mr.
   43:14  Fordise is correct. That alley runs a block long from Park Avenue to Geneva,
   43:21  which all of that is heavily wooded. Um, most of the feud between the
   43:28  two comes because of the children riding motorcycles and stuff through the woods and Mr. Brown didn't like it. Again, I
   43:36  want to understand that I've worked for Mr. Brown. He owns that four lots there.
   43:42  There are 6 8 10 12 14. There's almost 40 lots in
   43:49  there. Mr. Brown owns four lots and has a house on there. The other person
   43:58  uh Mr. Weir has an end lot that is no
   44:04  improvements and I wasn't aware that he had objected. I don't know. Did he formally
   44:12  write an objection? Did he show up and object? I don't know. I know the only one who showed up was Mr. Brown. And
   44:19  again, there's an underlying problem. My point is Mr.
   44:26  Mskovich's efforts to vacate this isn't going to hurt anybody. In fact, Mr.
   44:31  Brown is going to gain 132 feet wide by 8 and a quarter, half the the south half of the
   44:38  alley. And it is correct. Once that alley is vacated, no one can go through there. There's not even utilities down
   44:45  through there because it's impassible. Um, his efforts to do this
   44:52  are indeed, I think, pure and it is to clean the place up, but he's restricted with doing something when he's got
   45:00  through the middle of his property an alley, 16 and 1/2t alley.
   45:05  Um, so I just want to reiterate to you that even though there are two land owners, one of them I'm not aware he's objected.
   45:15  I don't know if he's filed an objection.
   45:17  If he hasn't, then it's a moot point.
   45:23  Secondly, there only five lots out of I don't know how many there are, 40. And that is kind of
   45:31  disproportionate. Yeah. They one person lives there, Mr. Brown, and he's the only one. And again, there has been
   45:40  serious serious issues between him and Mr. Mskovich. So, I hope that you take that in consideration.
   45:51  Thank you. Any other council
   45:59  members? So, I wasn't here at the last meeting. I did watch it on YouTube and heard a little bit of
   46:06  it. Um, kind of where I stand is is the
   46:13  objection an objection to the actual vacation of the alleyway or is it an objection to the owner that's requesting this vacation?
   46:26  And it's difficult sometimes even in our own lives to separate the feelings from the facts. And my opinion and what what
   46:33  I'm getting from this or my interpretation is there's a lot of hard feelings. Um a couple years ago I requested a variance to put a taller
   46:41  fence in my yard and I had to go through all the the zoning and all that in my backyard. Fortunately nobody
   46:48  objected but it it would have hurt nobody. Actually it helped me. Um, but it hurt
   46:56  nobody. But I couldn't imagine if I had ticked off a neighbor a couple times or even if it was legit, even if I did
   47:03  break local ordinances to object the fact that I wanted to put a 8ft fence up. So that's where I'm at. So I'm I'm speaking from
   47:12  my own experience of going through not a alley vacation, but just a change a variance of a property. And is this an
   47:20  objection to the idea or the objection to the owner of having that idea? And then my other thought is I'm sure this
   47:28  probably wasn't pro bono. Was this a a paid effort? I don't know if you can tell me or not.
   47:35  If it was paid, I'm just saying that it sounds like Mr.
   47:43  Mskovich maybe fronted the bill for this that then allows everyone else to get some of this alleyway. are they they're going to end up absorbing this
   47:52  alleyway. So, in my view, I almost see it as a favor. Like, I'm paying for this, but and I'm going to benefit from
   48:00  it, but my neighbors are going to benefit from it, too. And I do understand, and I thought about this ahead of time with does the vacation of
   48:08  this alleyway actually maybe help what some of the issues have been? I don't know. Um, but then I separate out if
   48:17  there are issues with motorcycles or trash or whatever, then that needs to be enforced on its own leg. That needs to
   48:25  be handled, tackled, taken care of separately from the idea of vacation of
   48:31  of vacating an alleyway. And so, while I'm upset that we have neighbors that are upset with each other and they're
   48:38  wanting to object, I'm just I have to pull my feelings out and go, what's the literal request here? And it's to vacate an alley that has been abandoned.
   48:49  Essentially, it's urban. It's been abandoned in an urban environment that could potentially benefit all of the neighbors.
   48:57  Um, so that's where my opinion is. So, I will be voting in favor of it. But I
   49:03  will say my hope is that moving forward there can be some peace within that neighborhood. Um, and whatever other
   49:12  issues there are stemming from other incidents that those can be put behind andor the neighbors can find a new
   49:19  respect to respect each other's boundaries. With that, I'll open for any more comment or a motion. Yep.
   49:29  Councilman Brener.
   49:40  Okay, Mr. President, if you're ready for a motion, go ahead. I move that we deny general ordinance number 10, 2025.
   49:55  Motion by Councilman Kaine to deny the general ordinance 10-2025. Is there a
   50:07  second? Not hearing a second. Without a second, I guess the
   50:15  motion dies. I would entertain another motion or comment. Mr. Mr. President, I make a motion to pass general ordinance 10-2025.
   50:28  I have a motion to pass general ordinance 10-2025. Do I have a second? I have a second by Councilman Calgill.
   50:36  Any other discussion?
   50:43  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kane, no. Marshall, I. Runner. Hi. Klein, no. Divine.
   50:58  Hi. Whitten. No. Calgill. I Mckinley.
   51:04  Yes. General ordinance 10-2025 has passed. And moving on to general ordinance
   51:11  11-2025 adding grant administrator for transportation. Second reading and public hearing.
   51:18  an ordinance fixing the maximum salary of appointed officers and employees in the annual payment of flex dollars $250
   51:25  to the non-contractual full-time employees of the city of Marian Indiana for the year of 2025. The city of Marian Department of Transportation goal is to
   51:33  hire someone for this position to be trained by Chuck Martindale for a few months before retirement. This position is very important to acquire.
   51:41  Transportation runs on 85% grants. Speaking Jeff Edwards, welcome. Welcome.
   51:54  All right. Go ahead, Mr. Edwards. Yeah.
   51:56  Good evening. Uh we've been going over this uh for a while. So we we know how important
   52:03  uh this job is to the success of transportation. Uh so uh we just need to get this person in and get him trained
   52:12  uh with Chuck. So, I'm just asking to get this passed so we can get started. Great.
   52:20  Thank you. Any council members with any questions or comments before we go to public hearing? All right. Thank you. If you
   52:29  want to have a seat, we're going to go ahead and open it for public hearing. If you would like to speak for or against
   52:37  this ordinance, please make your way to the microphone.
   52:45  Not seeing anyone make their way up there. Last chance. All right, we're going to close
   52:52  the public hearing. Not seeing anyone make their way to the microphone. And I would entertain any other discussion and or a motion.
   53:03  Mr. President, I'd like to uh make a motion that we suspend the rules on general ordinance 11 2025. Second motion
   53:11  to suspend the rules by Councilman Calgill, a second by Councilman Kaine. Any discussion?
   53:17  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kane, I. Marshall, I. Forice, I. Runner, I.
   53:24  Klein, yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes.
   53:28  Calgill. Hi. Mckinley. Yes. Rules have been suspended. I'd entertain another motion. Mr. President, I'd like to now make a motion that we pass general ordinance 11, 2025.
   53:40  Motion to pass by Councilman Calgill, second by Vice President Ford.
   53:47  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kain, I. Marshall, I. Forice, I. Runner, I.
   53:54  Klein, yes. Divine, yes. Whitten, yes.
   53:59  Calgill, I. McKinley, yes. General ordinance 11-2025 has passed. Thank you, Mr. Edwards.
   54:06  And moving on to additional appropriation 5-2025 railings for waterways second reading of public hearing. However,
   54:14  before we move into that, uh I did get a request um it was yesterday or yesterday
   54:22  evening. Um so Randy actually if you want to come up to the microphone and just let let them know the request that you have.
   54:30  Good evening. The last council meeting we we were asked to table it. Mr. Kaine decided to move it forward. The packet
   54:39  in front of you is what DNR finally sent to me that needs to be filled out. It is a quite lengthy process just to replace this
   54:46  handrail. Quite lengthy. After all, it took DNR a week and a half to even return a phone call. So, how this
   54:54  process works is we fill all this out. I send it back to DNR. DNR approves it and then we have to hold a public hearing from anyone across the street from said handrail area.
   55:05  that goes back to DNR, then DNR gives you the approval to build it. So, had we built it, there would
   55:12  have been a healthy fine. We'd have tore it down. So, I'm glad we did not do that. But what I'm asking, there's no way I'll have this paperwork completed.
   55:21  There's just no way between DNR taking however long they want to take. If any of you have ever worked with DNR, it's like pulling it
   55:29  teeth. They don't want to return phone calls. They only want to email. then they don't want to email what you're asking them. They just want you to send your $200 and fill out the
   55:37  paperwork. So, this is going to be a lengthy process. I will complete my portion of it as fast as possible, get it sent in, and then we'll be waiting on DNR.
   55:50  Well, I appreciate you sharing that with us. Um, we will work the channels and the best we can to try and help speed
   55:56  this up. Um, I do know I'm not going to try and speak for them, but I know our um, Representative Lori Goss Reeves and
   56:04  State Senator Andy Zay sometimes have some liaison that can help. So maybe we can pull them on that and see if um,
   56:12  they can kind of help fasttrack this being a railing. It's not like we're building a structure here. Correct. And so we'll do everything we can. I'll make
   56:19  I'll make some calls and see if we can fasttrack this as best we can. Um because I mean if this was in the middle of winter maybe one thing but you know
   56:27  this is going to be out all summer if this is going to take that application process. So um go ahead council. So if
   56:35  we table this like we talked about it still keeps it alive. We don't have to start from scratch or does this red tape
   56:43  mean we have to start from square one again? We we have to follow their specific directions to a tea or they'll
   56:50  make you start all over. So what we have before us now means nothing. Okay. Great. Button it into oblivion then.
   56:58  Yes, sir. Okay. Well, could could we not pass it to the third reading? If we're not ready by then, we could hold it off
   57:05  then, right? Or no. If the if the third reading is a public hearing, then no, we cannot. Okay. Because we can't open it
   57:13  to the public until DNR has the other information. I would feel more comfortable doing it today. Yeah.
   57:20  Can you turn your mic on?
   57:23  Yeah. And and the reason that I wanted to table this on the on the first reading was because with DNR
   57:31  specifications, everything's going to change on the construction of what his appropriation is for because his appropriation is just to replace the
   57:40  handrail with a diverter. DNR tells you the way you have to do it. So then he
   57:47  may have to new bids to redirect the process of what DNR wants him to comply with.
   57:56  So, so and I'm glad you mentioned that.
   57:59  I was going to speak to this about whether we table this or wrote it down. I guess maybe it doesn't make a huge difference because
   58:08  you know even the executive summary talks about the ADA. Technically, this is an ADA ramp.
   58:15  Uh it is we would say grandfathered in.
   58:18  Um maybe it's we try to say it's handicap friendly. The whole room needs to be changed. Correct. So I I really
   58:25  where I'm at and maybe our council Marty can chime in on this is you know do we table it or we just vote it down and
   58:33  then bring a whole fresh new one back once you have everything buttoned up. Any thoughts on that council?
   58:41  it probably be cleaner just to start over, but it could be done either way.
   58:45  I'll leave it up to your discretion, but I I would suggest at this point just starting over. So, it's my opinion we vote it down. I don't I'm not a big fan
   58:53  of tableabling because when I table something, we assume it's coming back.
   58:56  And so, voting it down would be my preference. That way, we have a a fresh additional appropriation number, fresh executive summary. We start over with
   59:05  the first reading all the way through that whole process just like the DNR said because I'd hate to table it because then when we bring it back it's
   59:12  back at second reading public hearing and it just kind of circumvents some of that process the DNR might require. So
   59:19  So would you accept a motion to deny additional appropriation 52025? I would accept that. Then you got it. Okay.
   59:27  Second.
   59:28  All right. Got a motion to deny by Councilman Klein. A second by
   59:35  Councilman Kaine, just I was picking uh No, I knew who you were. I was just deciding. Councilman Kaine. Um any other discussion?
   59:47  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call.
   59:50  Kane, I Marshall. I forise. I Runner. I Kly. Yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes.
   59:58  Calgill. Hi. Mckenley. Yes. So, additional appropriation 5-2025 is voted down. We look forward to seeing this
 1:00:05  come back and again um I'll try and connect and see if we can make some connections and speed this up for our citizens. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
 1:00:16  Thank you. Okay, moving on to new business.
 1:00:21  Additional appropriation 6-2025 cumulative capital development fund first reading.
 1:00:28  an appropriation appropriating certain funds in the amount of $33,695.34 the CCD fund. The city of
 1:00:37  Marian engineering department is requesting the unused portion of the balances from 2024 be allowed to be transferred into the 2025 appropriation
 1:00:45  accounts. The MVH road repair, CCD fund, wheel tax, and local road street. These transferred appropriations will be used
 1:00:54  for paying for services that were carried over from 2024 that were not encumbered and and to all for the add
 1:01:01  additional projects to be funded by these appropriation carryovers. Speaking engineering and planning director Mike Craft, welcome. Good to see you. Good
 1:01:10  evening. Welcome back. Thank you. I I was hesitant to come back. It was pretty nice, but I brought the weather back with me, so it's not quite as cold when
 1:01:19  I before we left. So, uh this is pretty pretty cut and dry. Uh we the the
 1:01:26  controller decided to do each individual appropriation for uh local road and street uh wheel tax um MVH and that's
 1:01:36  fine. You can pass them individually onto second reading as you like. Uh but I'm I'm going to kind of lay out uh
 1:01:44  where we're at so that you can just go ahead and and make those motions after I'm done if you'd like. So, I won't tell you how to do your procedure, but I
 1:01:52  wouldn't wrap them all up in one since she divided them out. So, uh but obviously, uh the majority of this money, uh was for community crossing.
 1:02:01  These were our matching dollars. Uh and as uh several of you may know, we're still completing the 2024 community
 1:02:10  crossing. We're doing race and boots, which uh there was a lot of sidewalks on that before we can even do the paving.
 1:02:17  Uh so instead of trying to do anything last year or do anything early this year, uh
 1:02:26  with the MVH fund, the way that the county distributes to us, uh there are funds that go right up until December.
 1:02:35  So we wanted to make sure that we had all everything that we could get from the county already in there before I came
 1:02:41  back and asked you for for that money rather than doing it at the beginning of the year. knowing we may not have the
 1:02:49  full amount from the county. Uh same thing with uh the uh the other local
 1:02:56  road and street uh and uh uh MVH we don't get all the funding. Why my
 1:03:05  seasons is still going. So it kind of ends up at the end of the year uh which always tails into not being able to use
 1:03:12  that money. So henceforth we look at carrying it over. And the reason why we're this far into the season before
 1:03:19  I'm at before I asked for it talking with Linda uh she was dealing with some things to to do close out all the books
 1:03:28  and I didn't want to disrupt her trying to get these total numbers. So I just waited until she was done. So I'd be glad to entertain any of the questions
 1:03:35  from any of the uh the the following appropriations uh and then you can take them one by one as you'd like.
 1:03:44  This seems like a no-brainer. I mean, what if these wouldn't pass? What does that mean? That that means that uh I would take what I've got this year to
 1:03:53  pay for last year and then where we've already accepted money for community crossing, we'd come to you and ask you for more
 1:04:02  money. We don't want to do that. I just wanted to because sometimes when people watch and they don't know the inner workings like, well, what does this mean? So, I just want people to hear
 1:04:10  that what the effect would be if this didn't go through. So, one way or the other, the contractor's done the work and we'll figure out how to pay them.
 1:04:20  So, the money is there. It's just been I just I didn't drag my feet. I just wanted to make sure Linda was good with
 1:04:27  her stuff. All right. Thank you, Vice President Forise. Yeah, I've got a comment on this, but some that some
 1:04:35  people don't know and possibly the public is that these funds are non-reverting. So, and what that means
 1:04:43  is is what didn't use last year. It stays in there for him to be able to pay the next season if he runs out of paving
 1:04:51  time or season or whatever. So, um all these funds, most of all of them are non-reverting. So, that money stays in
 1:04:58  his fund just exclusively for this. So, that's why he's coming now and asking for those funds. The new funds will pay
 1:05:06  for the new paving. Yeah, correct. Yeah, correct. And it's Yeah, it's you're absolutely right. is not a general fund budget that reverts back to the general fund. This stays in until we draw it back out. So, or use it.
 1:05:18  Thank you. Any other council members? All right. I take a motion.
 1:05:28  Mr. President, I make a motion to pass additional appropriation 06-2025 to second reading public hearing. Second. Motion by Vice
 1:05:37  President Ford, second by Councilman Brunner. Any other discussion? Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kane, I. Marshall, hi. Forice. Hi.
 1:05:48  Runner. Hi. Klene, yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes. Calgill. Hi. Mckinley.
 1:05:55  Yes.
 1:05:57  Additional appropriation 6-2025 has passed and goes to second reading, public hearing at the next council meeting. Moving into additional
 1:06:06  appropriation 7-2025 MBH road repair first reading.
 1:06:11  I'll go and take care of this because we're going to be reading the same stuff. An additional or just an appropriation appropriating certain funds the amount of
 1:06:19  $45,835.84 for MBH road repair and copy and paste everything from the last one.
 1:06:24  It's ex exact same thing. We're just literally going to we have to do it one by one. So there's no other discussion.
 1:06:31  I take a motion. Mr. President, I move we pass additional appropriation 72025 to second reading and public hearing.
 1:06:39  Second motion by Councilman Klene, second by Vice President Ford. Any comment?
 1:06:47  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kane, I.
 1:06:50  Marshall, I Runner. Hi. Klein, yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes. Calgill. I. McKinley. Yes.
 1:06:59  Additional appropriation 7-2025 will go to second reading public hearing of the next council meeting. Moving into additional appropriation 8-2025, a local
 1:07:08  road and street first reading. Another appropriation appropriating certain funds in the amount of
 1:07:17  $315,422.39 for local road and street. Again, copy and paste. Same thing. I would take a motion. Mr.
 1:07:25  President, I move we pass additional appropriation 8 2025 second reading public hearing.
 1:07:33  Second. A motion by Councilman Klene, second by uh Councilman Whitten. Any
 1:07:41  discussion? Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kain, I. Marshall, I. Forice. Hi.
 1:07:48  Brunner. Hi. Klein. Yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes. Calgill. Hi. McKinley.
 1:07:55  Yes. Additional appropriation 82025 will passes goes to second reading public hearing of the next council meeting. And
 1:08:02  additional appropriation 9-2025 wheel tax. First reading. Another appropriation for certain funds in the
 1:08:10  amount of $564,738 for the wheel tax. Same copy and paste. Same thing. And I would entertain a motion.
 1:08:22  Was trying to give someone else a chance. Mr. Chairman, I move we pass additional appropriation 9-2025, second reading, public hearing.
 1:08:30  Second. A motion by Councilman Klene, a second by Councilman Whitten. Any discussion?
 1:08:37  Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call.
 1:08:40  Kane, I Marshall. I forise I Runner. I Klein. Yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes.
 1:08:48  Calgill. Hi. McKinley. Yes. Additional appropriation. I lost my spot for a second here. Geez, there's a lot of them. I almost said five.
 1:08:59  9-205 passes. Goes a second reading public hearing of the next council meeting. Uh, appreciate that. I think we're I think that's all we need. You
 1:09:07  done with me. I'll see you in a couple weeks now. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks, Mike. Appreciate it, buddy.
 1:09:12  All right. Moving on to general ordinance 12-2025 reertifying council election districts.
 1:09:20  Um, get this pulled up here. So, for those that aren't aware, uh, every 10 years we have a census in
 1:09:29  America and part of, uh, Indiana law is that after those census, you are supposed to reertify or, um, redistrict your governmental entity.
 1:09:43  Currently we have six districts represented by six council members and then three at large which cover the entire city. Um so usually this is would
 1:09:53  have been done by now but co uh I hate to say that but co had its impact in 2020 and delayed a lot of the census
 1:10:03  results and there was a lot of grace and mercy in in getting this uh done and approved. But there is a deadline. The
 1:10:10  deadline is at the end of this month. um otherwise you risk lawsuits um and those are going to
 1:10:19  get costly. So uh I have been working with gentleman by the name of David Shelton. He is the
 1:10:26  um city clerk over in Knox County and um met him through some other channels and
 1:10:34  he is really good at doing this and he does it for free and he offers services just as just goodwill to other
 1:10:42  communities around the state and he offered to do it for us. It's not overly difficult. Um I have learned a lot in
 1:10:50  this process and I think well I think next time I could probably do this now that uh he has shown us. So, first off, I want to give credit to David Shelton
 1:10:57  uh and give the numbers. So, what happens is the census, we have the total population of the city that comes from the census. We have six districts and
 1:11:07  the goal of reertifying or redistricting is to have as much equal representation. It's basically a math
 1:11:16  equation, right? You take the total population divided by six districts and you want to have those populations as close as possible. there is a little
 1:11:24  variance that's allowed. The average uh that they want to see is around 10% or
 1:11:31  less. Um we are at 11.6 and you know his opinion and
 1:11:38  others has been that's within the rule of of thumb for the 10% range. And and
 1:11:45  so just to for so each council member can hear, District 1 has 4361
 1:11:53  um residents. District 2 4891. District 3 4659. District
 1:12:01  4763. District 5 4727. And District 6 has the most in 4,99.
 1:12:10  And so you add all those up and you divide it by six and that's
 1:12:18  4718.33. Then you take the most populous subtract the least populace and the difference is 548. Then you take that remaining number and divide it by the target population.
 1:12:29  So, um, so you take 548 divided by
 1:12:38  4718.33, uh, because that's the average of of all the six and that equals 11.6.
 1:12:44  So, just wanted to give you guys the math and not just me say, "Yep, we're good." That's how they come uh to this formula. This formula comes to that
 1:12:52  number. Um the current population deviation is appropriate to not redistrict at this time. There's no set
 1:13:00  number in state code, but the rule of thumb is around 10%. And it's close enough to not warrant confusing voters by changing districts. So the
 1:13:08  recommendation was to just reertify our council election districts. So any questions? Councilman Klein. I don't know if I have a question and I'm going
 1:13:16  to vote for this on first reading because it needs to go to a public hearing. I'm glad you explained that because I had gone back and I'm not
 1:13:24  volunteering to do any redistricting duty. Just get that on the record.
 1:13:29  Um I'm glad you explained that that it's based on because I looked up uh
 1:13:36  2019 that was most competitive and most voters of recent elections. And these
 1:13:44  are the 2019 Ward voting totals just for whatever it's worth. In Ward one, there
 1:13:51  were 546 votes cast. In Ward two, there was
 1:13:58  1,324. Ward 3, 575. Ward 4,
 1:14:03  581, Ward 5, 401, and Ward 6 456. Um, we may not have the population deviation that we have voting deviation.
 1:14:16  Maybe that tells us we need to do a better job of getting voters out and giving them a reason to vote. But I'm I thank you for that explanation because I
 1:14:25  had no idea how that was done. It was far too much math for me to cons and and thank you. I'm not going to
 1:14:32  lie. You know, at first I was like, I don't even know where to start. And uh like I said, I all credit to David Shelton um explaining all this. I had
 1:14:40  the email. I'm looking forward to any of you that want to see what what he gave.
 1:14:44  But um you know, I appreciate your point on the voting. Now, keep in mind this could include juveniles, elderly, you
 1:14:51  know, there's nothing. Obviously, the census, we don't have to we don't look at age on that census. That would get
 1:14:58  really, really difficult to decipher, okay, how many voters and where and then the next election that could change, right? You get a different block of
 1:15:06  voters that wants to vote for a certain candidate, maybe live in their neighborhood, right? So that can vary.
 1:15:11  So I appreciate that. But it is a good point. Um out of all these people, this is including brand new babies all the
 1:15:18  way to 100 years old. So hopefully we can get some more voters. But that's where we're at. Um so you know the I'll
 1:15:28  read executive summary. This was you know something that I had obviously proposed. It's just the city is either required to redistrict or reertified and
 1:15:35  based on the census and like I said deviations 11.6 six. Um, and I already kind of read some of that executive summary. So, any other questions or
 1:15:44  comments? Yep. Councilman uh Kane, just just a comment.
 1:15:51  So I would have thought that possibly there should have been a committee formed and this would have been
 1:15:59  discussed in committee and a recommendation from the committee not either to redistrict or
 1:16:07  not to redistrict and that would have come down from the committee to the full council um instead of an outside entity
 1:16:16  from Mr. Shelton saying, "Hey, we don't need to do anything." Um, I think that we need to bring that down to our local
 1:16:25  level and for us to make that decision as a full council coming from a recommendation from a committee. Just my
 1:16:33  comment. Thank you. I 100% agree with you and uh full transparency. I didn't realize that this was something we had
 1:16:42  to do until about a month and a half ago. And it's come to my attention that this was
 1:16:49  proposed, I don't know, a couple years ago or two years ago. Um, and it was decided at the time, the power of the be
 1:16:57  to not address it. Um, that's at least what was told to me. I'm not saying that's 100% fact. I was not actually aware of this until David Shelton
 1:17:06  actually brought it up to a meeting that I was at and he said, "Oh, have you guys did you know about the deadline and did you know about reertifying?" I'm
 1:17:13  like, "Nope. Had no idea." You know, you you take this position and there's you don't know what you don't know. So, I
 1:17:20  agree with you 100%. The problem and I hate this. I feel like we have to rush it a little bit. I'm glad the numbers landed where they did. I think next time
 1:17:29  we need to do that so long as we remember and we're all on the council.
 1:17:33  But we the the the state deadline is the end of this month. And so like we're up against the wall here. I would love to
 1:17:42  next time knowing that we have to do this, spend a couple months after the census, start evaluating that data and
 1:17:49  really dig in and and take a look if that's something we want to do at the time. And to be truthful, we could still do it even after if we were to pass
 1:17:57  this. We can still look at it for possibly next time. However, the population might change. I do think the city has changed with a blight
 1:18:05  elimination. We have maybe less houses and population shifts. Um and and good goal actually would really ideally in a perfect world 0%.
 1:18:16  Right? If we could just almost get it exactly even and maybe even look at voter turnout and distribute that evenly as well. So I 100% agree with you and I
 1:18:24  appreciate that comment. Uh, I hope next time that um we have more time and our back isn't up against the wall.
 1:18:32  Councilman Klein, I'm going to make a motion we send general ordinance 12205 to the rules committee.
 1:18:45  Okay. You So, if we were to send it to a rules committee, um, what's that?
 1:18:54  If we get to the end of the month, we're we're just risking a lawsuit. That's all I'm saying. There is an organization uh that is watching this and actually
 1:19:02  they've already reached out to the mayor and myself um kind of we'll politely say breathing down our neck that hey, have you done
 1:19:10  this? I've gotten a voicemail about it uh from this organization that that's like their thing. That's their watchdog.
 1:19:17  And I really support that idea. I really want to do it.
 1:19:24  Um I just don't want to risk taxpayer dollars in a lawsuit. That's all. How long? And
 1:19:33  council Harker, maybe you can tell me this. Reertification is good for how long?
 1:19:41  It should be till the next census. The next census would be 2030. That long.
 1:19:45  Okay. Yes. So actually here here's the advantage we have because this has taken so long. I mean, we're five years after this probably should have happened. And
 1:19:53  so, really, we've got a shorter amount of time. We've got five more years once that census comes out. If we're all, if any of us are also
 1:20:01  on the council at the time, at that point, then um we can reertify or redistrict instead of waiting a whole 10
 1:20:08  years. So, we only have five years to get through that. But um you know being that the number and if this number was
 1:20:16  15 or 20 we definitely we would just have to say give us mercy we got to work through this but the fact that this
 1:20:23  number is right around that rule of thumb you know it's my opinion we just move forward um and then at the next census the
 1:20:32  council at that time spend more time and and separate this out. just my opinion, but you know, if you want to send it to
 1:20:40  a committee, um, you know, others that feel supported, you're you know, there's obviously a motion you can make. Um, I
 1:20:47  would you're welcome to make a motion and if not, then waiting for a second. Okay. I thought it was a recommendation.
 1:20:55  I didn't hear a motion. Was that a motion then? Okay. I'm sorry. I'm not I'm just I'm just not sure what that
 1:21:02  committee would would would do at this point. Well, we'll have this argument later.
 1:21:11  We can have this argument later. I'll withdraw the motion. And again, I apologize. Um I feel like I'm the messenger here.
 1:21:18  Like, you know, literally he just sent this. Um not even two weeks ago, I got this information and he hurried up.
 1:21:30  Yeah. And and hold on, Eric. Can you turn your mic on?
 1:21:37  I want people at home to hear. I I got that notification on an email, too. As a matter of fact, she called me on the phone also. Yeah. And said that you
 1:21:44  realize you guys only have till June 30th. And if you don't, then you can substantiate fines and every council
 1:21:52  member loses their pay effective June 30th. That's part of it. Our pay stops.
 1:21:59  Plus, she told me it was uh Peru or Logansport that it incurred fines. It
 1:22:05  was Anderson. Anderson that had incurred fines and she was going to call all the council people, but she said I was the only one that answered. But I I sent
 1:22:14  those emails to I believe the mayor and Marty and Nick. I believe I responded to her. She left the voicemail and sent me an email.
 1:22:23  That that's the only thing is is we're about out of time and it should have been addressed before this but you know we didn't know about it because the last
 1:22:31  council uh Mike I think you brought it up on the last council the last administration that we needed to address this and it was didn't get addressed.
 1:22:42  Yeah I hate it. Are you ready for Thank you. Well then I'll make a motion that we pass general ordinance 12 20225 to second reading and public hearing.
 1:22:51  Second. All right, I got a motion by Hold on one second. I'll get you in a second. We'll get a motion by Councilman Klein, a second by Councilman Calg. I have to address that. Any discussion?
 1:23:02  Yes. I would just like It would be nice if we could get a copy of what each of those districts look like now compared
 1:23:09  to what they look like before. Can we do that? I don't have a copy. Well, it's the same. I mean, we're reertifying, which means we're keeping the exact same way. So, we're not changing anything.
 1:23:19  This is just saying we're keeping that.
 1:23:21  I mean, obviously they can't be the exact same numbers.
 1:23:26  Oh, as far as numbers, yeah, I don't know. Um, that would be probably the clerk's office probably have to find
 1:23:33  that and find that old motion. It would be very interesting to see what those numbers look like.
 1:23:39  Yeah, that would be a request the uh the clerk's office at some point if they would have an opportunity go back and find that from 200 probably 11, I imagine.
 1:23:49  um when she's got time. Yeah. But no, yeah, it' be interesting to see have it tomorrow at noon, but I would just like
 1:23:57  to see that. Thank you. Nope, that's fine. I understand. Any other uh comment? We have a motion on the floor.
 1:24:03  Any other discussion? I have one comment. In the ordinance itself, it says we have to do it before November 1st, 2025.
 1:24:12  And you guys are saying June 30th, 2025.
 1:24:15  So, is the ordinance correct or is the June 20 June 30th, 2025. The deadline for doing the public hearing, June is the deadline. June 30th.
 1:24:28  Yes. Is to have the ordinance passed by June 30th.
 1:24:32  Okay. Then I would say that third paragraph says November 1st of the actual ordinance. I just want to make
 1:24:40  sure we're approving the correct ordinance with the right language in it because otherwise that could throw us back out and start again.
 1:24:51  Well, I mean, yeah, even if it says the deadline is that if we pass it by June 30th, we're good. So, it's not going to substantially change what we're doing.
 1:25:00  But I appreciate catching that. I must have read right over that. Just my brain says June 30th. So, because I know that's the date,
 1:25:08  you could amend it, but that's just more I think more of a guideline. It's maybe incorrect, but it doesn't change the result of what we have to do at the end of the day. But, well, my only concern
 1:25:17  was if we've already got a a group looking at it and if that makes sure that doesn't do anything substantially to us so that they can come back and
 1:25:26  come at us because our language was incorrect. And again, I know we can adjust it. I just wanted it to be correct. Well, I had Marty research it
 1:25:34  and he came up with June 30th also. Is that correct, Marty? Thank you. I I made sure check
 1:25:42  with legal on it. Whichever ordinance that you showed
 1:25:54  me, but either way, we get done before. Go ahead.
 1:26:01  So can we on this on this
 1:26:06  [Music]
 1:26:07  motion amend the ordinance at the same time on the on the motion to say June the 30th. Can we do that please?
 1:26:18  Yeah. Basically, it's that third paragraph to basically for those that are listening home or not seeing what we're
 1:26:25  seeing, it says, "Whereas Indiana code 3-5-10-7.1 requires municipalities that did not redistrict or reertify their
 1:26:33  districts following the 2020 dennial census to do so before November 1st, 2025." And then it continues on so some
 1:26:42  other language. So yeah, uh probably would be better to air on the side of caution and and amend that then.
 1:26:52  So, I'll withdraw the original motion and would make a motion that we pass ordinance 12 2025 to second reading
 1:27:02  and public hearing with the amendment that in the third paragraph whereas
 1:27:11  Indiana code such and such requires we change the date to June 30, 2025. Five
 1:27:19  striking November 1, 2020 five.
 1:27:26  Okay, we've got a motion on the floor now. We have a second. Second. Second by Councilman Kaine. Any other discussion?
 1:27:35  Appreciate you guys' patience on this. Thanks for working through it with me.
 1:27:40  All right, Madame Deputy Clerk. Roll call. Kane.
 1:27:45  I. Marshall. I. Four. I Brunner I Klein yes Divine yes Whitten yes Calgill I
 1:27:54  Mckenley yes the amended general ordinance 12-2025 will move to a second reading
 1:28:03  public hearing at the next council meeting and moving on to 2025 CF1 forms
 1:28:09  residential and commercial CF1 forms the Marian city council is required to review CF1 forms forms on on an annual basis and either approve or deny them.
 1:28:21  The CF1 forms are submitted by entities or persons that are receiving a tax abatement to ensure compliance in order to continue receiving the tax abatement
 1:28:28  for another year. Speaking Council President Nick McKinn, that time of year again. Um, just as a
 1:28:36  friendly reminder, the CF-1 forms are compliance forms for people that have received tax abatements in the city and
 1:28:43  continue to receive abatement based on their abatement schedule. And every year they are required to resend that.
 1:28:50  Um, as we were re received those forms, I was sending them over to Chuck Binkert, who is the executive director
 1:28:59  of the Grant County Growth Council. He helped us last year and um he helped review those as well. Second set of
 1:29:06  eyes. If there were any issues, he would reach out to that organization and have them um make those changes. So, um, this
 1:29:15  year's, from what I understand, all came in with no issues. I will say Chuck wasn't able to be here. He's on
 1:29:21  vacation. Um, but he did say that all the ones that were submitted um has his full
 1:29:29  recommendation. He didn't find any issues and um that he requested that we approve the
 1:29:38  ones that were submitted. So, uh, I don't remember last year, uh, Marty if we or if anyone else remembers
 1:29:45  if we approved these all individually, one at a time or in one fell swoop. I'm not sure. Does anyone remember?
 1:29:53  I think um I think we did them one at a time because there were
 1:29:59  some that were sent back and if we had passed them all at one on Moss, we wouldn't
 1:30:08  have caught anything. Yeah. Had a couple come in late, a couple had swirly numbers or no
 1:30:16  numbers. I do remember that. But if these have been approved and vetted by
 1:30:24  the people we've trusted, it's it's like they're giving us a due pass recommendation. Is that what I understand?
 1:30:33  Well, I mean, it's still us as the governing body's decision on whether we think they're in actual compliance. Now,
 1:30:40  what um Chuck Binker, what I asked him to do is just make sure the forms were completed in compliance and filled out
 1:30:48  properly, not so much are they living up to what they said they were going to do.
 1:30:55  Mr. President, I believe these went to committee last year and the committee then determined which ones were in compliance with and then they came back
 1:31:03  to the council. the ones that have been were in compliance with revote were voted on I believe together and then as the other ones were then completed and
 1:31:11  brought back later they were approved individually. Am I right? I think that was two years ago though. I don't think I
 1:31:19  thought I don't think we went to committee last year on this. Did we?
 1:31:24  Yeah. Because I know we got Chuck Chuck involved at some point. I'm as chairman alleged chairman of that alleged
 1:31:32  committee. I don't I don't think we talked but I don't think they went to committee. I think we
 1:31:39  um not deferred to but included Chuck as as a whole. Yeah, I think that I don't I'm not sure we went I know we did two years ago.
 1:31:51  That may be correct too. I'm not I'm not sure whether it was last year the year before. I'm thinking that was too because last year we included Chuck in
 1:32:00  kind of a group committee of the whole that could be the case. We should probably look at the minutes. Um
 1:32:06  but the council could do it either way and and and honestly if if you've gone through these I've looked at them as
 1:32:15  they came in as they came back. you know, it's still the council's prerogative. If if there's an issue that council member has with one of them and
 1:32:23  we have a discussion, we can always move that to the next meeting, too. So, if if you see one, you're going, I'm not so sure, we can either move it to the next
 1:32:31  meeting, could pull one or a couple out and send it to a committee. Um, but I know I remember Councilman Klein and I spoke last year about do we even need a
 1:32:40  compliance committee, right? that discussion when we have Chuck um as an entity that has the time and ability to reach out to these organizations and he
 1:32:48  did help us last year and I think the corrections that were made last year and the communication he had with those companies helped this year because they
 1:32:55  actually submitted the forms properly because he did show them, hey, this is how you fill it out. Um Mr. President,
 1:33:02  I I I I agree with you and I'm glad Chuck's here and I I trust Chuck and everything, but with it being our name
 1:33:10  on it at the end, I think that if if if it doesn't go to committee, at least to the chairman, I feel like somebody from the council ought to look at this though
 1:33:18  before we Yeah. Again,
 1:33:25  Chuck Chuck's request and ask from me was just to make sure the forms were completed. It is on us. It says it right
 1:33:32  on the form. It's us to make that full decision decision. I think where last year we changed things up is historically it was the committee that just approved it, not the full council.
 1:33:41  Well, according to IC code, it has to come to the full governing body. Um, so I think that's where last year we changed things up. Chuck, you know, we
 1:33:49  we deviated from our previous practices last year probably to fall in better compliance. But as far as how we move
 1:33:56  forward, um, I'm okay either way. um you know may they had a deadline to submit it. We don't necessarily have a deadline
 1:34:03  to approve it other than the you know there are certain filings at the county that they need to start filing for their their property taxes. And so the longer
 1:34:13  these take this is no pressure. The longer these take the longer that could delay that process at the county for these organizations. But um I'm open to
 1:34:22  anybody else's opinions on which direction like to see this go. I personally have read through all of
 1:34:29  these and I remember them from last year and looked at their numbers and I don't have a problem approving them today, but that's just my one bill.
 1:34:40  Yeah, as a compliance person, I looked at them as well and I didn't see any red
 1:34:47  flags. Whether I'm misread or overlooked, that could be, but nothing said nothing smacked me upside the head.
 1:35:02  I did as well. I looked at them all and didn't see anything red flag either.
 1:35:09  I appreciate that. Yeah. I just want the the general consensus of the council which direction they want to go. So, if let's just say if you feel compelled
 1:35:17  that you think these should go to all go to a committee um you know be willing to entertain that or what we could do if
 1:35:25  you're okay moving forward is and again this is um it's a one-time vote. So, this isn't like going to a second reading public hearing. As soon as we
 1:35:33  approve these are approved. So if if the decisions made today, we could vote for all of these, some of them, and then the
 1:35:41  ones we approved today are done. And if we want to carve some out to look deeper next time at the next meeting, we do that as well.
 1:35:49  since the deadline isn't that crucial for us. Not to knock anybody else's
 1:35:57  um portion of the process. What about we table this until the next meeting so those who haven't
 1:36:05  had a chance to look at these and and see if anything smacks them will have a
 1:36:13  chance and we can do this address this at the next meeting.
 1:36:18  That's your does that opinion I mean I'm just Vice President Ford Ice maybe. Yep. Do
 1:36:26  do you remember receiving an email from the Grant County Treasurer on some of the residential tax abatements that weren't qualified? I did and because I
 1:36:34  got I got that same email and there was like four residentials that they said were not qualified and the abatement
 1:36:42  that we had approved was rejected.
 1:36:46  So on residentials, there were I know four for a fact that they had rejected because they said they didn't qualify
 1:36:53  for residential tax payments. So that's the only thing I want to make sure and clarify on going through those CF1 forms
 1:37:01  is that the county kicked them out last time and sent us a email. Yeah, I did uh
 1:37:10  I know they sent it to you because I got it. I I did uh speak to Michael Hots on that as well.
 1:37:20  Um forwarded that information over and he disagreed with their
 1:37:28  opinion. Um so the residential homeowners can debate it. Well, I mean here's I mean and Marty, you know, stop
 1:37:37  and correct us if we're wrong or you have an opinion on this. Our vote is still a vote. It's still a vote. If we approve it, we approve it on our end.
 1:37:46  Now, what the county does? I I I don't know where that needs to be sorted out on the legal side. So,
 1:37:53  I I my opinion is that we if we support this abatement because we originally supported the abatement. We're living up to our word that you're eligible for
 1:38:01  this. I my opinion is that we still vote for it if you're wanting to vote for it.
 1:38:06  And then it's it's in our minutes. It's approved by us. Beyond that, if the homeowner has an issue, then that's to
 1:38:16  me seems like a legal issue with the interpretation from the county side and what they're doing and need to take it
 1:38:22  up with the county, whereas our own our corporate council for the city disagrees.
 1:38:29  Um, I don't know, Marty, any thoughts on that? No, the council just needs to vote on its process. It can't control how the auditor process things on uh on its end.
 1:38:42  question. Go ahead, Councilman. Uh, Marshall. Marshall. Yeah. Can Can you clarify what Chuck's role is because
 1:38:50  he's just collecting the forms. I I understood when we uh put him in that
 1:38:57  position to be involved with that that he was also in some way looking at the material written in there and providing
 1:39:07  some assurance that yes, these are filled out properly and they're they're they're in compliance and you're saying
 1:39:14  he's not involved with the compliance end of it. So, I'm just trying to be very careful because he's not a council
 1:39:21  member or at the very least I would have expected him to say I've looked these over and there are three of them that I think you guys should focus on or
 1:39:29  something some kind of advice in that capacity otherwise I don't know what his role is. That's that's you know I
 1:39:37  understood this that We were looking at his he he was giving us an expert
 1:39:44  opinion on these forms, what's in them, what did and that he's not passing on them, but he's
 1:39:51  giving us a do pass or pass these take a look at those that
 1:39:58  that he was he was our expert witness. I guess he was our get an expert opinion.
 1:40:04  Him saying otherwise I would assume that everything is appropriate. Yeah, I'm comfortable voting for them, but if not everybody has looked at them, that's
 1:40:13  putting them in an awkward position to vote for something they haven't studied.
 1:40:17  Okay. So, let me let me clarify something here. I just want to I'm just trying to be careful my words because I don't want it to come across as,
 1:40:26  well, Chuck said yes, let's just blindly vote for it. That's what I'm trying to be avoiding. What I'm saying is that it
 1:40:33  still ultimately is on us to ensure that he did, and I didn't send this out. I didn't feel like I need to. He did send
 1:40:41  the list of all of the ones that you got a list on and made a column. And yes, they all had signatures. That was an issue. And yes, they're all in
 1:40:50  compliance. Your interpretation of compliance is different. But his professional recommendation was that these are in compliance with what the
 1:40:59  original ask was and what we have asked him to do to get that tax abatement. With him not being here, I
 1:41:07  just don't want to extend out that opinion any further than it is our duty at the end of the day as a governing
 1:41:13  body to say yes, we agree this matches what they agreed to do in the original tax abatement. So yes, he did say
 1:41:20  compliance. Um, his opinion is that these in his opinion
 1:41:28  are passed the test. Whereas before he was involved, we had them that didn't even put any information down at all. So he would have filtered that and said,
 1:41:37  "Look, no, we we need to get this." Some people didn't know how to I mean, last year we ran into it. Some people didn't know what numbers to put where. And so
 1:41:44  then we're reading them and going, you know, are they even in compliance?
 1:41:48  Because they they didn't know what numbers to put in what column. So, his benefit in this is he's actually helped educate some of them that fill out these
 1:41:56  CF1 forms and go, this is how you need to do it. These are the numbers you need to put here. Um, which honestly has made
 1:42:04  the process so much smoother. The goal last year was to streamline this process for us. This year, in my opinion, it's been streamlined. He did an excellent
 1:42:12  job. every time I'd send him one, he went right to work on it and did his due diligence, send back his opinions, which
 1:42:20  we forwarded on to everyone. Um, and and that's where we're at. Just trying to streamline this and not make this overly cumbersome.
 1:42:30  I have one more question, Mr. President. The other question that I have was uh previously
 1:42:39  JG Bowers had a tax abatement on his property out on 16th Street. I believe
 1:42:47  they call that 16th Street. JG Bowers construction company. Well, Peerless
 1:42:53  Machine on Third Street and JG Bowers switched properties or ownership of properties,
 1:43:02  let me say. Peerless Machine moved to JG Bowers property. JG Bowers moved to Peerless Machine property. The tax
 1:43:09  abatement stays with the property. So, did Peerless Machine take
 1:43:16  over the tax abatement or did JG Bowers try to transfer it? I brought this up to Chuck. He said that he would look into it. This has been about four months ago
 1:43:25  when I heard they were moving and he hadn't got back to me.
 1:43:29  So, I do know for a fact that the taxment stays with the property. So I was just wondering if that was the case and since they
 1:43:38  switched properties did peerless machine inherit that tax abatement on that property until it expires or did JG
 1:43:47  Bowers try to transfer it to a different location because they can't do that. Great question. I think we'd have
 1:43:55  to look at the original resolution on that one. It was resolution 6-2020. Um, so it would require a second look at that resolution.
 1:44:05  I ain't familiar with the property switch, but um I couldn't answer that question.
 1:44:12  Yeah. And he was going to get back to me and didn't and you brought it to his attention because when they switch properties, I asked him, I said, "I know the tax bait stays with that property."
 1:44:20  He said, "Yes, with that owner, that property, he can sell the property, but taxment stays with the property." on on
 1:44:27  JG Bower's form for this uh for the personal property. Anyway, um the location of property is 1820 West Second.
 1:44:38  So, he's that's the former peerless. He's transferred it. He's trying. Yeah, you can't transfer.
 1:44:45  That's on the personal property, though.
 1:44:48  That is on the personal property abatement. He may be able to transfer that. I'm not sure. I don't know.
 1:44:52  there's there's gonna be a distinction between real and personal property potentially. I'm unsure of the issue, Mr. Ford Ice. I looked at at the
 1:45:00  applications and was aware of the switch and uh had the same questions that you did. So, I'm looking forward to trying to find some answers, but the personal
 1:45:08  property was installed at the Correct. I agree. Yeah. So, that's the only thing that I want to make sure that
 1:45:16  Yeah. If he if he's changed addresses on that and taken that abatement with you, I don't think he can take that abatement unless he reapplies for a new abatement
 1:45:25  is what I'm saying on the address on the commercial property, which that one we don't have that one. The only one was submitted was a personal property request, but he switched addresses.
 1:45:39  So, you know, if there's an if it's an unknown, then whether a personal property abatement transfers or not, then we probably want to find that out.
 1:45:49  I would I don't want to guess on that. I I just I don't want to, you know, pass something and then it because I did bring that up to check
 1:45:57  Chuck and All right. So, I mean, as far as the other lists goes, I mean,
 1:46:04  there's it's my opinion that I I would be happy to approve the ones that everyone's 100% comfortable
 1:46:12  approving. And if there's any, like I said, that we want to pull out and move to the next meeting, then we have the right to do so. Anyone have any other comments?
 1:46:28  So the JG Bowers one is included in um this list. Um so
 1:46:40  let me look at this again here.
 1:46:45  Yeah. So and that was on new equipment installed in that site.
 1:46:55  You know, if you guys don't have anything else, I would entertain a motion to approve the CF1
 1:47:02  forms submitted except for the JG Bower CF1 forms.
 1:47:07  Moving that to the next meeting. I would take that motion. Um I I'll make that motion. Second.
 1:47:15  All right. So, I got a motion by Councilman Calgill to approve all of the CF1 forms except for the JG Bower CF1 forms.
 1:47:24  and we'll move that to the next meeting to give time to review that. I have a second by was that vice President Ford I said did that? Yes. Any other
 1:47:34  discussion? Madame deputy clerk. Roll call. Kain I. Marshall. Hi. Forice. Hi.
 1:47:41  Runner. Hi. Klene. Yes. Divine. Yes. Whitten. Yes. Calgill. Hi. McKinley.
 1:47:49  Yes. Thank you. And I just want to say for the audience out there and those watching home, this is why we're a council and I hope you see us at work.
 1:47:57  This is why a council is better than one. Uh so I appreciate all of your opinions and and sorting this out.
 1:48:03  Moving on to the Grant County Visitors Bureau. So I just love getting surprises. Um, you know, I got surprised
 1:48:11  with the redistricting month and a half ago and then about uh I don't know, two, three weeks ago, surprised with that the
 1:48:18  Maring Common Council actually gets an appointment to the Grant County Visitors Bureau and I found that out directly from the director of the visitors
 1:48:26  bureau. I was in a meeting and somehow that came up and I was like, "Oh, didn't know we had an appointment." And we have not had an appointment and I guess it's
 1:48:34  been years since we had a representative on that visitors bureau. um not only the city council but I found out the county
 1:48:42  council I think as well. So I did call um President Greg Kits and informed him and he was happy to hear that. So with
 1:48:50  that being said, we do get one appointment. It is uh based on their bylaws on the visitors bureau. It is a two-year appointment. Um there's no set
 1:49:00  time we have to start it. Um what I would like to do and I've been working with deputy clerk um Aisha is to submit
 1:49:10  or to put out an advertisement to advertise for resumes.
 1:49:16  I put that in the executive summary. Um sorry I'll just go ahead and read the executive summary. It's just it was discovered we get one board appointee.
 1:49:24  Um basically it says the city council is now accepting resumes to be considered for the appointed position to your appointment. that will run July 1st,
 1:49:32  2025 to June 30th, 2027. Um, again, this isn't an ordinance. This is just me writing the executive summary. If you guys agree,
 1:49:40  disagree, and want to have a different time frame, we're open to that. And then I just put in there a deadline to submit resumes is June 24th. Um, that allows us
 1:49:49  to sub uh receive resumes uh before the deadline for the
 1:49:56  agenda. So that way we can get those resumes out to all the council members uh and we can make a vote or decision on
 1:50:04  the July 1st council meeting and whoever gets voted that day would immediately begin and uh I have some other
 1:50:11  information as well. Happy to share on what that commitment looks like. I will be also sharing it on the my councilman Facebook page. I'm going to have the ask
 1:50:20  the city to also share that on the city website and through those social media channels as well. Council, since this is a city council appointment, does the person need to live within the city?
 1:50:33  Yes, it does. They do. Just making sure that Yep. So, um I guess while we're
 1:50:42  Let me get this pulled up here. Sorry, this is all it's all moved very quickly. Um I'll just say the position overview.
 1:50:49  As a commissioner, you're actually a commissioner for the Grant County Convention and Visitors Bureau. play a key role in promoting tourism and supporting the growth of local
 1:50:57  attractions. Commissioners meet publicly four times per year and are also expected to participate in one of the
 1:51:04  following committees: marketing, attraction, development, I'm sorry, attraction development or finance, each of which meets three times annually.
 1:51:14  This is a two-year volunteer commitment aimed at enhancing the visibility and economic impact of Grant County as a destination. So, this information was
 1:51:23  texted me by Haley Anderson, who's the director, that we would also include some of this in that advertisement as well, so people know what they're
 1:51:30  signing up for. Anybody that would submit a resume, um, I would reach out to and again reiterate what that
 1:51:38  commitment looks like and make sure they know what they're putting their name in the hat for. And then as a council, then we can then make the decision as a whole
 1:51:46  and and decide who we want to represent the council. Uh it's not limited to uh I mean obviously you have to be over 18,
 1:51:53  live in the city limits. Um and it's other than that it's not limited to anybody else. He could even be a council member if you really wanted to put your name in the hat. I nominate Mayor Morel.
 1:52:03  Yeah. Now he gets his own appointees. So um well then he should serve on that board. So anyways, resumes can be turned
 1:52:10  into the city clerk's office uh or emailed to council president city of.in.gov of as those resumes are
 1:52:19  received, they'll be immediately dispersed to council members. So, you have time to reach out and and and communicate with anybody that might put
 1:52:26  the resume in. Councilman Brunner, is that a paid position? It is not volunteer. Okay. You don't want it now.
 1:52:33  No, not a paid position. Um, but a very, very important position, especially as we develop this city and this county.
 1:52:40  Um, but we want somebody to represent the council and be maybe our eyes and ears and and and contribute to that
 1:52:48  visitors bureau. So, any other questions? I mean, it's not a vote. Um, just want some make sure everyone knows
 1:52:55  what we're doing and if you disagree with what we're doing or want to change the time from July 1, August 1st, whatever,
 1:53:04  I'm open to any suggestions. Great. take the silence as
 1:53:10  approval. So, um, anyways, yes. So, this you could take this as a public announcement of an open
 1:53:18  vacancy. That's it. I have for the agenda. Some announcements. Uh, just the next citywide cleanup for district 3 is
 1:53:26  July 19th. We'll again make that announcement a couple times before now and then. And then the grand reopening
 1:53:34  and ribbon cutting for the Matter Park 0 to 5year-old playground. Somehow that date got left off.
 1:53:43  Um, I had the date on there. Somehow I got it off of there. I don't remember what date that is. But anyways, stay tuned to your social media channels if
 1:53:50  you really want to know uh when that grand reopening and ribbon cutting of the Matter Park zero to 5-year-old playground is. Download the Marian My
 1:53:57  Marian app or the is it the 12th? July 12th or June 12th, I'm sorry. June 12th. You remember what time? probably in the middle of the day.
 1:54:07  I'm just going to say download the my Marion app. Go to the my the Marin City website or or Facebook page. Big announcement. This is huge announcement
 1:54:16  for that is the purple dino is returning and it's not going away. It was a big to-do on social media. If you're not on
 1:54:23  there about the purple dino going away, um thank you mayor. You're a hero to
 1:54:29  many bringing the purple dino back. So, uh you know, it's positive stuff. I like it's good spirited positive things about
 1:54:36  our city. So I appreciate it. Any other His daughters made him do it probably.
 1:54:40  He had some inside influence. So any other council members with announcements? Yeah. I just got to say I love having Breen looking over us.
 1:54:48  That's what he used to do. He did it well. I wish we had more people doing it. And we'll end with that. I will take a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn.
 1:55:02  Second. I got a motion by Vice President Ford, second by Councilman Whitten. Any discussion? Madame Deputy Clerk, roll call. Kane, I. Marshall, I. Forice, yes.
 1:55:13  Runner, I. Klene, yes. Divine. Yes. Whiten? Yes. Falgill.
 1:55:20  Hi. I just want to wait. McKinley. Yes. The meeting's adjourned.